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In 2016 and 17, 25 Americans, including In 2016 and 17, 25 Americans, including CIA agents who worked in the US embassy CIA agents who worked in the US embassy CIA agents who worked in the US embassy in Cuba, suffered serious brain in Cuba, suffered serious brain in Cuba, suffered serious brain injuries, causing impaired vision and injuries, causing impaired vision and injuries, causing impaired vision and memory loss, among other persistent memory loss, among other persistent memory loss, among other persistent symptoms. Now, we've learned that at symptoms. Now, we've learned that at symptoms. Now, we've learned that at least 15 American officials in China least 15 American officials in China least 15 American officials in China suffered unexplained brain trauma soon suffered unexplained brain trauma soon suffered unexplained brain trauma soon after. The FBI is now investigating after. The FBI is now investigating after. The FBI is now investigating whether these Americans were attacked by whether these Americans were attacked by whether these Americans were attacked by a mysterious weapon that leaves no a mysterious weapon that leaves no a mysterious weapon that leaves no trace. Over many months, we have been trace. Over many months, we have been trace. Over many months, we have been collecting evidence of what appears to collecting evidence of what appears to collecting evidence of what appears to be a hostile foreign government's plan be a hostile foreign government's plan be a hostile foreign government's plan to target Americans serving abroad and to target Americans serving abroad and to target Americans serving abroad and their families. their families. their families. For me, it was November of 2017 when I For me, it was November of 2017 when I For me, it was November of 2017 when I started to feel uh lightaded a lot. I started to feel uh lightaded a lot. I started to feel uh lightaded a lot. I was getting more headaches. My wife was was getting more headaches. My wife was was getting more headaches. My wife was getting headaches, too. We getting headaches, too. We getting headaches, too. We >> Mark Lindsay is a State Department >> Mark Lindsay is a State Department >> Mark Lindsay is a State Department security officer who worked in the US security officer who worked in the US security officer who worked in the US consulate in Guanjo, China. consulate in Guanjo, China. consulate in Guanjo, China. >> He says that he and his wife began to >> He says that he and his wife began to >> He says that he and his wife began to suffer after hearing strange sounds in suffer after hearing strange sounds in suffer after hearing strange sounds in their apartment.

their apartment. their apartment. >> Picture holding a marble. Then picture >> Picture holding a marble. Then picture >> Picture holding a marble. Then picture if you had like a a 6t in diameter if you had like a a 6t in diameter if you had like a a 6t in diameter funnel, metal funnel, the sound that funnel, metal funnel, the sound that funnel, metal funnel, the sound that marble would make as it goes around and marble would make as it goes around and marble would make as it goes around and it progressively gets faster as it gets it progressively gets faster as it gets it progressively gets faster as it gets goes down towards the hole at the end. goes down towards the hole at the end. goes down towards the hole at the end. It's a sound like I've never heard It's a sound like I've never heard It's a sound like I've never heard before. before. before. >> Was this subtle? Like did I hear that? >> Was this subtle? Like did I hear that? >> Was this subtle? Like did I hear that? >> No, it was it was actually somewhat >> No, it was it was actually somewhat >> No, it was it was actually somewhat loud. I heard it about three or four loud. I heard it about three or four loud. I heard it about three or four times. Always in the same spot, always times. Always in the same spot, always times. Always in the same spot, always over my son's crib and always right over my son's crib and always right over my son's crib and always right before we would go to bed. Lindsay wears before we would go to bed. Lindsay wears before we would go to bed. Lindsay wears prescribed glasses because sensitivity prescribed glasses because sensitivity prescribed glasses because sensitivity to light is among his persistent to light is among his persistent to light is among his persistent symptoms. symptoms. symptoms. >> The symptoms were progressively getting >> The symptoms were progressively getting >> The symptoms were progressively getting worse with me. My headaches were getting worse with me. My headaches were getting worse with me. My headaches were getting worse. The most concerning symptom for worse. The most concerning symptom for worse. The most concerning symptom for me was memory loss, especially me was memory loss, especially me was memory loss, especially short-term memory loss. short-term memory loss. short-term memory loss. >> Mark Lindseay believes he was targeted >> Mark Lindseay believes he was targeted >> Mark Lindseay believes he was targeted because of his work. He uses top secret because of his work. He uses top secret because of his work. He uses top secret equipment to analyze electronic threats equipment to analyze electronic threats equipment to analyze electronic threats to diplomatic missions. There is no to diplomatic missions. There is no to diplomatic missions. There is no shadow of a doubt in my mind that this shadow of a doubt in my mind that this shadow of a doubt in my mind that this was a directed attack against my was a directed attack against my was a directed attack against my neighbor and I.

neighbor and I. neighbor and I. >> His neighbor was Katherine Warner who >> His neighbor was Katherine Warner who >> His neighbor was Katherine Warner who lived one floor up. She's a US Commerce lived one floor up. She's a US Commerce lived one floor up. She's a US Commerce Department trade officer who promoted Department trade officer who promoted Department trade officer who promoted American business from the Guanjo American business from the Guanjo American business from the Guanjo consulate. consulate. consulate. >> I woke up in the middle of the night and >> I woke up in the middle of the night and >> I woke up in the middle of the night and I could feel this sound in my head. Um, I could feel this sound in my head. Um, I could feel this sound in my head. Um, it was in intense pressure on both of my it was in intense pressure on both of my it was in intense pressure on both of my temples. At the same time, I heard this temples. At the same time, I heard this temples. At the same time, I heard this low humming sound and it was oscillating low humming sound and it was oscillating low humming sound and it was oscillating and I remember looking around for where and I remember looking around for where and I remember looking around for where this sound was coming from because it this sound was coming from because it this sound was coming from because it was painful. was painful. was painful. >> When did you first notice that you >> When did you first notice that you >> When did you first notice that you weren't feeling well? weren't feeling well? weren't feeling well? >> October of 2017, I started to get um >> October of 2017, I started to get um >> October of 2017, I started to get um hives all over my body. uh really bad hives all over my body. uh really bad hives all over my body. uh really bad hives. I woke up with headaches every hives. I woke up with headaches every hives. I woke up with headaches every day. Um I started to feel day. Um I started to feel day. Um I started to feel tired. The simplest things would just tired. The simplest things would just tired. The simplest things would just make me very very tired. make me very very tired. make me very very tired. >> Were these symptoms growing worse over >> Were these symptoms growing worse over >> Were these symptoms growing worse over time?

time? time? >> They were. Yes. My symptoms would get so >> They were. Yes. My symptoms would get so >> They were. Yes. My symptoms would get so bad that I would throw up or I would um bad that I would throw up or I would um bad that I would throw up or I would um wake up with nose bleeds. wake up with nose bleeds. wake up with nose bleeds. >> She says even her dogs were throwing up >> She says even her dogs were throwing up >> She says even her dogs were throwing up blood. Wernern assumed her illness was blood. Wernern assumed her illness was blood. Wernern assumed her illness was connected to China's toxic smog. She didn't know it at the time, but her She didn't know it at the time, but her symptoms were the same that American symptoms were the same that American symptoms were the same that American officials in Havana had suffered since officials in Havana had suffered since officials in Havana had suffered since 2016. 2016. 2016. The US embassy there is all but closed The US embassy there is all but closed The US embassy there is all but closed as a result. as a result. as a result. >> We hadn't heard about what happened in >> We hadn't heard about what happened in >> We hadn't heard about what happened in Cuba. I mean, there were headlines in Cuba. I mean, there were headlines in Cuba. I mean, there were headlines in the news about hearing loss and um the news about hearing loss and um the news about hearing loss and um attacks uh to our diplomats, but we attacks uh to our diplomats, but we attacks uh to our diplomats, but we didn't know the details. didn't know the details. didn't know the details. >> Katherine Werner became so ill, her >> Katherine Werner became so ill, her >> Katherine Werner became so ill, her mother traveled from the US to live with mother traveled from the US to live with mother traveled from the US to live with her. her. her. >> She spent almost 3 months with me. >> She spent almost 3 months with me. >> She spent almost 3 months with me. During that time, she also got very ill. During that time, she also got very ill. During that time, she also got very ill. Um and she and I shared the same Um and she and I shared the same Um and she and I shared the same symptoms. symptoms. symptoms. >> What sort of symptoms did your mother >> What sort of symptoms did your mother >> What sort of symptoms did your mother have?

have? have? >> Headaches. >> Headaches. >> Headaches. and um ringing in our ears. Um we also and um ringing in our ears. Um we also and um ringing in our ears. Um we also started to started to started to both um have difficulty recalling words. both um have difficulty recalling words. both um have difficulty recalling words. >> After reporting her experiences, Wernern >> After reporting her experiences, Wernern >> After reporting her experiences, Wernern was medically evacuated to the US for was medically evacuated to the US for was medically evacuated to the US for treatment. US agencies are treatment. US agencies are treatment. US agencies are investigating, but Mark Lindsay has a investigating, but Mark Lindsay has a investigating, but Mark Lindsay has a theory. theory. theory. >> This was a directed standoff attack >> This was a directed standoff attack >> This was a directed standoff attack against my apartment. against my apartment. against my apartment. >> It was a weapon. Of course it was a >> It was a weapon. Of course it was a >> It was a weapon. Of course it was a weapon. weapon. weapon. >> An energy weapon. >> An energy weapon. >> An energy weapon. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> What sort of energy is this that we're >> What sort of energy is this that we're >> What sort of energy is this that we're talking about? talking about? talking about? >> I believe it's RF, radio frequency >> I believe it's RF, radio frequency >> I believe it's RF, radio frequency energy in the microwave range. energy in the microwave range. energy in the microwave range. >> A clue that supports that theory was >> A clue that supports that theory was >> A clue that supports that theory was revealed by the National Security Agency revealed by the National Security Agency revealed by the National Security Agency in 2014. This NSA statement describes in 2014. This NSA statement describes in 2014. This NSA statement describes such a weapon as a high-powered such a weapon as a high-powered such a weapon as a high-powered microwave system weapon that may have microwave system weapon that may have microwave system weapon that may have the ability to weaken, intimidate, or the ability to weaken, intimidate, or the ability to weaken, intimidate, or kill an enemy over time without leaving kill an enemy over time without leaving kill an enemy over time without leaving evidence. The statement goes on to say, evidence. The statement goes on to say, evidence. The statement goes on to say, "This weapon is designed to bathe the "This weapon is designed to bathe the "This weapon is designed to bathe the targets living quarters in microwaves."

targets living quarters in microwaves." targets living quarters in microwaves." The NSA disclosed this in a workers's The NSA disclosed this in a workers's The NSA disclosed this in a workers's compensation case filed by former NSA compensation case filed by former NSA compensation case filed by former NSA employee Mike Beck. When you look back employee Mike Beck. When you look back employee Mike Beck. When you look back across your career, is there any across your career, is there any across your career, is there any incident that leads you to believe that incident that leads you to believe that incident that leads you to believe that it could be responsible for your it could be responsible for your it could be responsible for your Parkinson's disease? Parkinson's disease? Parkinson's disease? >> Yes. Um, >> Yes. Um, >> Yes. Um, >> in the 1990s, Beck and an NSA coworker >> in the 1990s, Beck and an NSA coworker >> in the 1990s, Beck and an NSA coworker were on assignment overseas. Years were on assignment overseas. Years were on assignment overseas. Years later, he says they developed later, he says they developed later, he says they developed Parkinson's disease at the same time. Parkinson's disease at the same time. Parkinson's disease at the same time. >> In 1996, >> In 1996, >> In 1996, a colleague of mine, Chuck Bett, and I a colleague of mine, Chuck Bett, and I a colleague of mine, Chuck Bett, and I traveled to a hostile country traveled to a hostile country traveled to a hostile country and worked there for about a week. And and worked there for about a week. And and worked there for about a week. And um I can't say where the hostile country um I can't say where the hostile country um I can't say where the hostile country the the identity of it the the identity of it the the identity of it >> because it's still classified. >> because it's still classified. >> because it's still classified. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But it was not Cuba or China. You >> But it was not Cuba or China. You >> But it was not Cuba or China. You believe that you and Chuck Gabet were believe that you and Chuck Gabet were believe that you and Chuck Gabet were attacked with this microwave weapon? attacked with this microwave weapon? attacked with this microwave weapon? >> Yes, I had a pretty good working >> Yes, I had a pretty good working >> Yes, I had a pretty good working knowledge of the hostile country's knowledge of the hostile country's knowledge of the hostile country's intelligence services, what they do to intelligence services, what they do to intelligence services, what they do to people, what they have done, what their people, what they have done, what their people, what they have done, what their modus operandi is.

modus operandi is. modus operandi is. >> Mike Beck says more intelligence has >> Mike Beck says more intelligence has >> Mike Beck says more intelligence has come in recently, which he shared in a come in recently, which he shared in a come in recently, which he shared in a classified briefing with congressional classified briefing with congressional classified briefing with congressional investigators. Mike, you can't discuss investigators. Mike, you can't discuss investigators. Mike, you can't discuss any of these details because they're all any of these details because they're all any of these details because they're all classified, but in your opinion, does classified, but in your opinion, does classified, but in your opinion, does the new information that you brief the the new information that you brief the the new information that you brief the House and Senate Intelligence Committee House and Senate Intelligence Committee House and Senate Intelligence Committee staff on in any way relate to what staff on in any way relate to what staff on in any way relate to what happened in Cuba and China. happened in Cuba and China. happened in Cuba and China. >> It's relevant to the Cuba and China >> It's relevant to the Cuba and China >> It's relevant to the Cuba and China cases. No one has officially confirmed cases. No one has officially confirmed cases. No one has officially confirmed that what Beck says happened to him is that what Beck says happened to him is that what Beck says happened to him is related to at least 40 Americans injured related to at least 40 Americans injured related to at least 40 Americans injured in China and Cuba. While Beck suffers in China and Cuba. While Beck suffers in China and Cuba. While Beck suffers from Parkinson's, from Parkinson's, from Parkinson's, the recent patients are being treated the recent patients are being treated the recent patients are being treated for the same kind of symptoms that for the same kind of symptoms that for the same kind of symptoms that doctors would expect from a concussion. doctors would expect from a concussion. doctors would expect from a concussion. >> So follow my fingers. >> So follow my fingers. >> So follow my fingers. >> Dr. Tina Shetty is Mark Lindsay's >> Dr. Tina Shetty is Mark Lindsay's >> Dr. Tina Shetty is Mark Lindsay's neurologist. So Mark initially came to neurologist. So Mark initially came to neurologist. So Mark initially came to me reporting symptoms of headache, me reporting symptoms of headache, me reporting symptoms of headache, memory loss, sleep difficulties, memory loss, sleep difficulties, memory loss, sleep difficulties, emotionality and irritability.

emotionality and irritability. emotionality and irritability. >> And what did you make of that in the >> And what did you make of that in the >> And what did you make of that in the early days? early days? early days? >> I was very surprised. Uh he did not have >> I was very surprised. Uh he did not have >> I was very surprised. Uh he did not have any history of any trauma or blow to his any history of any trauma or blow to his any history of any trauma or blow to his head, but he reported a constellation of head, but he reported a constellation of head, but he reported a constellation of neurologic symptoms which are neurologic symptoms which are neurologic symptoms which are characteristic of mild traumatic brain characteristic of mild traumatic brain characteristic of mild traumatic brain injury without any history of associated injury without any history of associated injury without any history of associated head trauma. I still notice it, but that head trauma. I still notice it, but that head trauma. I still notice it, but that has improved when I don't. has improved when I don't. has improved when I don't. >> Exactly how their brains were injured is >> Exactly how their brains were injured is >> Exactly how their brains were injured is the subject of a study at the University the subject of a study at the University the subject of a study at the University of Pennsylvania Center for Brain Injury of Pennsylvania Center for Brain Injury of Pennsylvania Center for Brain Injury and Repair. and Repair. and Repair. >> Still slightly wobbly. >> Still slightly wobbly. >> Still slightly wobbly. >> Dr. Shetty is not part of that study. >> Dr. Shetty is not part of that study. >> Dr. Shetty is not part of that study. >> And align your knees. >> And align your knees. >> And align your knees. >> But her patient Mark Lindsay is >> But her patient Mark Lindsay is >> But her patient Mark Lindsay is >> now put your hands on your hips. >> now put your hands on your hips. >> now put your hands on your hips. >> The presumption is that something >> The presumption is that something >> The presumption is that something happened which caused a functional brain happened which caused a functional brain happened which caused a functional brain injury of widespread brain networks injury of widespread brain networks injury of widespread brain networks because he has symptoms to reflect a because he has symptoms to reflect a because he has symptoms to reflect a multitude of brain networks. multitude of brain networks. multitude of brain networks. >> What Dr. Shetty describes mirrors the >> What Dr. Shetty describes mirrors the >> What Dr. Shetty describes mirrors the findings published so far by the findings published so far by the findings published so far by the University of Pennsylvania's study. University of Pennsylvania's study. University of Pennsylvania's study. >> They have said that our symptoms are >> They have said that our symptoms are >> They have said that our symptoms are exactly what they saw in Cuba and that exactly what they saw in Cuba and that exactly what they saw in Cuba and that we have the full suite of uh findings we have the full suite of uh findings we have the full suite of uh findings that they had there.

that they had there. that they had there. >> Robin and Britta Garfield are among the >> Robin and Britta Garfield are among the >> Robin and Britta Garfield are among the 40 patients enrolled in the University 40 patients enrolled in the University 40 patients enrolled in the University of Pennsylvania study. Like Katherine of Pennsylvania study. Like Katherine of Pennsylvania study. Like Katherine Werner, Robin Garfield is a trade Werner, Robin Garfield is a trade Werner, Robin Garfield is a trade officer with the commerce department. He officer with the commerce department. He officer with the commerce department. He was posted with his wife and two young was posted with his wife and two young was posted with his wife and two young children in Shanghai. children in Shanghai. children in Shanghai. >> I don't know when the sound started. Um >> I don't know when the sound started. Um >> I don't know when the sound started. Um I do know that it was for months on end. I do know that it was for months on end. I do know that it was for months on end. >> I was uh sitting next to Robin and >> I was uh sitting next to Robin and >> I was uh sitting next to Robin and something I felt like hit me from the something I felt like hit me from the something I felt like hit me from the left side. Um and at first it felt like left side. Um and at first it felt like left side. Um and at first it felt like an electric shock um and then it an electric shock um and then it an electric shock um and then it paralyzed me. So I was uh not able to paralyzed me. So I was uh not able to paralyzed me. So I was uh not able to move or speak. move or speak. move or speak. >> It hit you so hard you felt like you >> It hit you so hard you felt like you >> It hit you so hard you felt like you were in danger in the room. were in danger in the room. were in danger in the room. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> They say the children suffered blurred >> They say the children suffered blurred >> They say the children suffered blurred vision and loss of balance. Your vision and loss of balance. Your vision and loss of balance. Your daughter was literally falling down. daughter was literally falling down. daughter was literally falling down. >> Yes. She fell down multiple times that >> Yes. She fell down multiple times that >> Yes. She fell down multiple times that day. day. day. >> We went on a walk and she uh just fell >> We went on a walk and she uh just fell >> We went on a walk and she uh just fell on her face. It was very abnormal. Um on her face. It was very abnormal. Um on her face. It was very abnormal. Um she never does that. And then a second she never does that. And then a second she never does that. And then a second time she completely lost her balance and time she completely lost her balance and time she completely lost her balance and just fell to the side.

just fell to the side. just fell to the side. >> Last spring the secretary of state Mike >> Last spring the secretary of state Mike >> Last spring the secretary of state Mike Pompeo confirmed the case of Katherine Pompeo confirmed the case of Katherine Pompeo confirmed the case of Katherine Wernern. Upin found her brain injuries Wernern. Upin found her brain injuries Wernern. Upin found her brain injuries matched the Cuba victims. matched the Cuba victims. matched the Cuba victims. >> We had an incident in Guangu that the uh >> We had an incident in Guangu that the uh >> We had an incident in Guangu that the uh medical indications are very similar and medical indications are very similar and medical indications are very similar and entirely consistent with the medical entirely consistent with the medical entirely consistent with the medical indications that have taken place to indications that have taken place to indications that have taken place to Americans working in Cuba. But for Americans working in Cuba. But for Americans working in Cuba. But for reasons that are unclear, the State reasons that are unclear, the State reasons that are unclear, the State Department is raising doubt about the Department is raising doubt about the Department is raising doubt about the other 14 China cases. The State other 14 China cases. The State other 14 China cases. The State Department's medical office sent Mark Department's medical office sent Mark Department's medical office sent Mark Lindsay this note that says, "We have Lindsay this note that says, "We have Lindsay this note that says, "We have reached the decision that your symptoms reached the decision that your symptoms reached the decision that your symptoms and findings do not correlate with the and findings do not correlate with the and findings do not correlate with the Havana cohort. Havana cohort. Havana cohort. >> They tried to deny it. They tried to >> They tried to deny it. They tried to >> They tried to deny it. They tried to cover it up. They tried to minimize it. cover it up. They tried to minimize it. cover it up. They tried to minimize it. >> Why would the State Department minimize >> Why would the State Department minimize >> Why would the State Department minimize this?" this?" this?" >> Because it's China. Because we have such >> Because it's China. Because we have such >> Because it's China. Because we have such a large trade relationship with them. a large trade relationship with them. a large trade relationship with them. You can push around Cuba. the trade, you You can push around Cuba. the trade, you You can push around Cuba. the trade, you know, relations are minimal. With China, know, relations are minimal. With China, know, relations are minimal. With China, that's a different beast, right? that's a different beast, right? that's a different beast, right? >> State Department doctors told Robin >> State Department doctors told Robin >> State Department doctors told Robin Garfield his illness stems from a Garfield his illness stems from a Garfield his illness stems from a baseball injury 17 years ago, which does baseball injury 17 years ago, which does baseball injury 17 years ago, which does not explain his wife and children.

not explain his wife and children. not explain his wife and children. >> It is a very complicated geopolitical >> It is a very complicated geopolitical >> It is a very complicated geopolitical relationship uh between the US and relationship uh between the US and relationship uh between the US and China. So that to me feels like why this China. So that to me feels like why this China. So that to me feels like why this determination is being being made. What determination is being being made. What determination is being being made. What does it mean for your benefits today does it mean for your benefits today does it mean for your benefits today that the State Department is refusing to that the State Department is refusing to that the State Department is refusing to call this an attack? call this an attack? call this an attack? >> It has significant impact on our our >> It has significant impact on our our >> It has significant impact on our our life, our finances, uh my career as life, our finances, uh my career as life, our finances, uh my career as well. Likely well. Likely well. Likely I have not been afforded time for my I have not been afforded time for my I have not been afforded time for my rehabilitation. rehabilitation. rehabilitation. Being classified as pre-existing injury Being classified as pre-existing injury Being classified as pre-existing injury means that I don't have access to paid means that I don't have access to paid means that I don't have access to paid leave. It also means that after one year leave. It also means that after one year leave. It also means that after one year uh my medical bills will not be covered uh my medical bills will not be covered uh my medical bills will not be covered currently. currently. currently. >> The China patients have the attention of >> The China patients have the attention of >> The China patients have the attention of at least one member of the Senate at least one member of the Senate at least one member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Gene Foreign Relations Committee. Gene Foreign Relations Committee. Gene Shaheen wrote Secretary Pompeo, "The Shaheen wrote Secretary Pompeo, "The Shaheen wrote Secretary Pompeo, "The group from China is increasingly feeling group from China is increasingly feeling group from China is increasingly feeling isolated and left behind by the State isolated and left behind by the State isolated and left behind by the State Department." The State Department Department." The State Department Department." The State Department declined an interview, but in a declined an interview, but in a declined an interview, but in a statement to 60 Minutes, it said, "We statement to 60 Minutes, it said, "We statement to 60 Minutes, it said, "We will continue to provide our colleagues will continue to provide our colleagues will continue to provide our colleagues the care they need regardless of their the care they need regardless of their the care they need regardless of their diagnosis or the location of their diagnosis or the location of their diagnosis or the location of their medical evacuation." A state department medical evacuation." A state department medical evacuation." A state department official told us that the Cuba patients official told us that the Cuba patients official told us that the Cuba patients are victims of an attack, but state are victims of an attack, but state are victims of an attack, but state hasn't made the same determination for hasn't made the same determination for hasn't made the same determination for the China patients. The department has the China patients. The department has the China patients. The department has asked the nationalmies of science to

asked the nationalmies of science to asked the nationalmies of science to assist in the medical investigation. assist in the medical investigation. assist in the medical investigation. The FBI is also investigating. The FBI is also investigating. The FBI is also investigating. Intelligent sources told us that in Intelligent sources told us that in Intelligent sources told us that in addition to Cuba and China, Russia is a addition to Cuba and China, Russia is a addition to Cuba and China, Russia is a suspect. But if microwaves were used, suspect. But if microwaves were used, suspect. But if microwaves were used, the technology is not rare. It could be the technology is not rare. It could be the technology is not rare. It could be more than one country is using it. US more than one country is using it. US more than one country is using it. US intelligence is still debating what intelligence is still debating what intelligence is still debating what caused the injuries. You were in harm's caused the injuries. You were in harm's caused the injuries. You were in harm's way and you didn't know it. way and you didn't know it. way and you didn't know it. >> Exactly. I didn't know it. And I'm >> Exactly. I didn't know it. And I'm >> Exactly. I didn't know it. And I'm afraid that others may be in harm's way afraid that others may be in harm's way afraid that others may be in harm's way and may not know it. you. I don't know and may not know it. you. I don't know and may not know it. you. I don't know what the future looks like for me, what the future looks like for me, what the future looks like for me, but I would do anything in my power to but I would do anything in my power to but I would do anything in my power to prevent this from happening to somebody prevent this from happening to somebody prevent this from happening to somebody else serving their country. else serving their country. else serving their country. >> Americans are not the only ones who've >> Americans are not the only ones who've >> Americans are not the only ones who've been attacked. According to the Canadian been attacked. According to the Canadian been attacked. According to the Canadian government, 15 Canadians were injured in government, 15 Canadians were injured in government, 15 Canadians were injured in Cuba, including diplomats and their Cuba, including diplomats and their Cuba, including diplomats and their families.

Since 2016, US government officials Since 2016, US government officials overseas and their families have overseas and their families have overseas and their families have reported sudden unexplained brain reported sudden unexplained brain reported sudden unexplained brain injuries with symptoms of vertigo, injuries with symptoms of vertigo, injuries with symptoms of vertigo, confusion, and memory loss. The CIA, confusion, and memory loss. The CIA, confusion, and memory loss. The CIA, FBI, and State Department are FBI, and State Department are FBI, and State Department are investigating a theory that some of investigating a theory that some of investigating a theory that some of these officials were injured by an these officials were injured by an these officials were injured by an unseen weapon. Who might be targeting unseen weapon. Who might be targeting unseen weapon. Who might be targeting Americans and why are unknown. Incidents Americans and why are unknown. Incidents Americans and why are unknown. Incidents have been reported in Europe, Asia, and have been reported in Europe, Asia, and have been reported in Europe, Asia, and Latin America. But our reporting has Latin America. But our reporting has Latin America. But our reporting has found senior national security officials found senior national security officials found senior national security officials who say they were stricken in Washington who say they were stricken in Washington who say they were stricken in Washington and on the grounds of the White House. and on the grounds of the White House. and on the grounds of the White House. The former officials you're about to The former officials you're about to The former officials you're about to meet are revealing their experiences for meet are revealing their experiences for meet are revealing their experiences for the first time. They were responsible the first time. They were responsible the first time. They were responsible for helping to manage threats to for helping to manage threats to for helping to manage threats to national security. national security. national security. >> I covered any and all emerging threats >> I covered any and all emerging threats >> I covered any and all emerging threats um homeland security incidents um homeland security incidents um homeland security incidents domestically. So I covered whether it domestically. So I covered whether it domestically. So I covered whether it was from mass shootings to hurricanes to was from mass shootings to hurricanes to was from mass shootings to hurricanes to natural disasters.

natural disasters. natural disasters. >> Olivia Troy was homeland security and >> Olivia Troy was homeland security and >> Olivia Troy was homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Vice counterterrorism adviser to Vice counterterrorism adviser to Vice President Mike Pence. She had served in President Mike Pence. She had served in President Mike Pence. She had served in the Pentagon, deployed to Iraq, served the Pentagon, deployed to Iraq, served the Pentagon, deployed to Iraq, served in the Defense Intelligence Agency and in the Defense Intelligence Agency and in the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Counterterrorism Center. At the National Counterterrorism Center. At the National Counterterrorism Center. At the White House, she worked in the 19th the White House, she worked in the 19th the White House, she worked in the 19th century Eisenhower Executive Office century Eisenhower Executive Office century Eisenhower Executive Office Building beside the West Wing. In the Building beside the West Wing. In the Building beside the West Wing. In the summer of 2019, she was descending these summer of 2019, she was descending these summer of 2019, she was descending these stairs toward the White House when she stairs toward the White House when she stairs toward the White House when she felt she had been physically struck. But felt she had been physically struck. But felt she had been physically struck. But it was like this piercing it was like this piercing it was like this piercing feeling on the side of my head. It was feeling on the side of my head. It was feeling on the side of my head. It was like I remember it was on the right side like I remember it was on the right side like I remember it was on the right side of my head and I I got like vertigo. Um of my head and I I got like vertigo. Um of my head and I I got like vertigo. Um I was unsteady. Um I was I felt I was unsteady. Um I was I felt I was unsteady. Um I was I felt nauseous. nauseous. nauseous. Um I was somewhat disoriented and I was Um I was somewhat disoriented and I was Um I was somewhat disoriented and I was just I remember thinking like okay you just I remember thinking like okay you just I remember thinking like okay you got to if you don't fall down the stairs got to if you don't fall down the stairs got to if you don't fall down the stairs like you've got to find your ground like you've got to find your ground like you've got to find your ground again and study yourself. She steadied again and study yourself. She steadied again and study yourself. She steadied herself on a railing, but the piercing herself on a railing, but the piercing herself on a railing, but the piercing feeling continued as she passed by this feeling continued as she passed by this feeling continued as she passed by this entrance to the west wing.

entrance to the west wing. entrance to the west wing. >> It was almost like I couldn't really >> It was almost like I couldn't really >> It was almost like I couldn't really process. It was like a paralyzing panic process. It was like a paralyzing panic process. It was like a paralyzing panic attack. I've never had that. Um, I've attack. I've never had that. Um, I've attack. I've never had that. Um, I've never felt anything like that. And so I, never felt anything like that. And so I, never felt anything like that. And so I, you know, I thought to myself, I mean, you know, I thought to myself, I mean, you know, I thought to myself, I mean, do I have a brain tumor out of the blue? do I have a brain tumor out of the blue? do I have a brain tumor out of the blue? Is is this what happened? Am I having a Is is this what happened? Am I having a Is is this what happened? Am I having a stroke? Olivia Troy was inside the stroke? Olivia Troy was inside the stroke? Olivia Troy was inside the security perimeter headed to her car. security perimeter headed to her car. security perimeter headed to her car. She went down the steps, past the west She went down the steps, past the west She went down the steps, past the west wing, and down the closed parking lot wing, and down the closed parking lot wing, and down the closed parking lot used by presidents called West Executive used by presidents called West Executive used by presidents called West Executive Avenue. Then she passed through the Avenue. Then she passed through the Avenue. Then she passed through the Secret Service gate and out to the staff Secret Service gate and out to the staff Secret Service gate and out to the staff parking in the ellipse south of the parking in the ellipse south of the parking in the ellipse south of the White House. White House. White House. >> Did you ever experience anything like >> Did you ever experience anything like >> Did you ever experience anything like this again? this again? this again? >> So, not immediately. Um, but I did again >> So, not immediately. Um, but I did again >> So, not immediately. Um, but I did again about a year later. Um, it didn't happen about a year later. Um, it didn't happen about a year later. Um, it didn't happen on the steps. It happened uh a a couple on the steps. It happened uh a a couple on the steps. It happened uh a a couple times walking to my car on the ellipse. times walking to my car on the ellipse. times walking to my car on the ellipse. >> Tell me about those times. >> Tell me about those times. >> Tell me about those times. >> It was a similar sensation, but this >> It was a similar sensation, but this >> It was a similar sensation, but this time it was um very much the feeling of time it was um very much the feeling of time it was um very much the feeling of of vertigo and dizziness. Um, and I felt of vertigo and dizziness. Um, and I felt of vertigo and dizziness. Um, and I felt like I couldn't really walk. There was like I couldn't really walk. There was like I couldn't really walk. There was sort of a it was like I had a depth sort of a it was like I had a depth sort of a it was like I had a depth perception issue where I couldn't figure perception issue where I couldn't figure perception issue where I couldn't figure out where the ground was. Um and I would out where the ground was. Um and I would out where the ground was. Um and I would start walking and I felt like I was just start walking and I felt like I was just start walking and I felt like I was just going to fall right into the ground.

going to fall right into the ground. going to fall right into the ground. >> Troy says she didn't report the episodes >> Troy says she didn't report the episodes >> Troy says she didn't report the episodes because she didn't want to believe she because she didn't want to believe she because she didn't want to believe she was seriously ill and she worried what was seriously ill and she worried what was seriously ill and she worried what it would mean to her security clearance it would mean to her security clearance it would mean to her security clearance and career. and career. and career. >> It's just me. >> It's just me. >> It's just me. >> After this interview, she reported for >> After this interview, she reported for >> After this interview, she reported for the first time. There is a human aspect the first time. There is a human aspect the first time. There is a human aspect of it of shame and do you really want to of it of shame and do you really want to of it of shame and do you really want to admit you're sick? Do you want to come admit you're sick? Do you want to come admit you're sick? Do you want to come forward and tell someone that? forward and tell someone that? forward and tell someone that? Especially as a member of the Especially as a member of the Especially as a member of the intelligence community. I think I'm intelligence community. I think I'm intelligence community. I think I'm still processing all of it and thinking still processing all of it and thinking still processing all of it and thinking about like how many more people are like about like how many more people are like about like how many more people are like me who felt this. me who felt this. me who felt this. >> It appears there are several. A senior >> It appears there are several. A senior >> It appears there are several. A senior member of the National Security Council member of the National Security Council member of the National Security Council says he was stricken in November 2020 on says he was stricken in November 2020 on says he was stricken in November 2020 on the same steps by the West Wing. That the same steps by the West Wing. That the same steps by the West Wing. That former official whose incident was first former official whose incident was first former official whose incident was first reported in the New Yorker asked us not reported in the New Yorker asked us not reported in the New Yorker asked us not to name him, but he described the to name him, but he described the to name him, but he described the incident to a close colleague, John incident to a close colleague, John incident to a close colleague, John Bolton, former national security Bolton, former national security Bolton, former national security adviser. adviser. adviser. >> They had uh disorientation and ringing >> They had uh disorientation and ringing >> They had uh disorientation and ringing and and in their ears and and just a and and in their ears and and just a and and in their ears and and just a general inability to function.

general inability to function. general inability to function. >> Bolton told us the officials said he >> Bolton told us the officials said he >> Bolton told us the officials said he couldn't speak or think clearly. He was couldn't speak or think clearly. He was couldn't speak or think clearly. He was taken to an emergency room. taken to an emergency room. taken to an emergency room. The former official sent us this note The former official sent us this note The former official sent us this note saying that more than a year later, I'm saying that more than a year later, I'm saying that more than a year later, I'm still recovering and suffering from still recovering and suffering from still recovering and suffering from headaches and other symptoms and have headaches and other symptoms and have headaches and other symptoms and have been diagnosed with two other medical been diagnosed with two other medical been diagnosed with two other medical conditions that are believed to be the conditions that are believed to be the conditions that are believed to be the result of the attack. He's still an result of the attack. He's still an result of the attack. He's still an outpatient at Walter Reed National outpatient at Walter Reed National outpatient at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. That was a very Military Medical Center. That was a very Military Medical Center. That was a very debilitating attack and uh and similar debilitating attack and uh and similar debilitating attack and uh and similar to what others have reported. to what others have reported. to what others have reported. >> Those others include Miles Taylor, also >> Those others include Miles Taylor, also >> Those others include Miles Taylor, also speaking for the first time. Taylor was speaking for the first time. Taylor was speaking for the first time. Taylor was deputy chief of staff and later chief of deputy chief of staff and later chief of deputy chief of staff and later chief of staff of the Trump administration staff of the Trump administration staff of the Trump administration Department of Homeland Security. Your Department of Homeland Security. Your Department of Homeland Security. Your job is to oversee the roughly 250,000 job is to oversee the roughly 250,000 job is to oversee the roughly 250,000 men and women of the department that men and women of the department that men and women of the department that conduct in a range of missions from conduct in a range of missions from conduct in a range of missions from aviation security to border security to aviation security to border security to aviation security to border security to cyber security.

cyber security. cyber security. >> Taylor told us he was hit with the same >> Taylor told us he was hit with the same >> Taylor told us he was hit with the same symptoms described by Olivia Troy. symptoms described by Olivia Troy. symptoms described by Olivia Troy. >> It was late one night in April 2018. I'd >> It was late one night in April 2018. I'd >> It was late one night in April 2018. I'd just become deputy chief of staff of the just become deputy chief of staff of the just become deputy chief of staff of the department taking on some additional department taking on some additional department taking on some additional sensitive issues at DHS and uh woke up sensitive issues at DHS and uh woke up sensitive issues at DHS and uh woke up uh in my apartment that night, a row uh in my apartment that night, a row uh in my apartment that night, a row house on Capitol Hill to a really house on Capitol Hill to a really house on Capitol Hill to a really strange sound. strange sound. strange sound. >> The sound that woke Miles Taylor is a >> The sound that woke Miles Taylor is a >> The sound that woke Miles Taylor is a common experience reported by dozens of common experience reported by dozens of common experience reported by dozens of Americans stricken overseas. It was sort Americans stricken overseas. It was sort Americans stricken overseas. It was sort of a chirping somewhere between what you of a chirping somewhere between what you of a chirping somewhere between what you would think is a cricket or sort of a would think is a cricket or sort of a would think is a cricket or sort of a digital sound. I didn't know what it digital sound. I didn't know what it digital sound. I didn't know what it was, but it was enough to wake me up. was, but it was enough to wake me up. was, but it was enough to wake me up. What was really strange about it is I What was really strange about it is I What was really strange about it is I went to the window, opened up my window, went to the window, opened up my window, went to the window, opened up my window, looked down at the street, and keep in looked down at the street, and keep in looked down at the street, and keep in mind, Scott, this is probably 3:00, 3:30 mind, Scott, this is probably 3:00, 3:30 mind, Scott, this is probably 3:00, 3:30 in the morning, and I see a white van, in the morning, and I see a white van, in the morning, and I see a white van, and the van's brake lights turned on, and the van's brake lights turned on, and the van's brake lights turned on, and it pulled off, and it sped away. and it pulled off, and it sped away. and it pulled off, and it sped away. >> How long did it last? >> How long did it last? >> How long did it last? >> This whole episode only lasted about 7 >> This whole episode only lasted about 7 >> This whole episode only lasted about 7 to 10 minutes.

to 10 minutes. to 10 minutes. >> How did you feel the next day? >> How did you feel the next day? >> How did you feel the next day? >> Off. uh off, not ready to go to work. Uh >> Off. uh off, not ready to go to work. Uh >> Off. uh off, not ready to go to work. Uh you know, kind of wanting to take the you know, kind of wanting to take the you know, kind of wanting to take the day off, um you know, sick. day off, um you know, sick. day off, um you know, sick. >> Then about five weeks later, Taylor says >> Then about five weeks later, Taylor says >> Then about five weeks later, Taylor says it happened again. it happened again. it happened again. >> Next day, feeling offbalance, feeling >> Next day, feeling offbalance, feeling >> Next day, feeling offbalance, feeling just out of it. Again, those sort of just out of it. Again, those sort of just out of it. Again, those sort of concussion-like symptoms you would have concussion-like symptoms you would have concussion-like symptoms you would have from, you know, getting knocked pretty from, you know, getting knocked pretty from, you know, getting knocked pretty hard in a sport. And that incident stood hard in a sport. And that incident stood hard in a sport. And that incident stood out to me because I was actually just out to me because I was actually just out to me because I was actually just getting ready to leave to go to Israel getting ready to leave to go to Israel getting ready to leave to go to Israel on a congressional delegation. We were on a congressional delegation. We were on a congressional delegation. We were going to meet the Israeli prime minister going to meet the Israeli prime minister going to meet the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have some sensitive Benjamin Netanyahu, have some sensitive Benjamin Netanyahu, have some sensitive conversations with the Israelis on conversations with the Israelis on conversations with the Israelis on important cyber security issues. And I important cyber security issues. And I important cyber security issues. And I remember because I got to the airplane remember because I got to the airplane remember because I got to the airplane at Andrews Air Force Base to take off at Andrews Air Force Base to take off at Andrews Air Force Base to take off and thought, I'm already nauseous. I and thought, I'm already nauseous. I and thought, I'm already nauseous. I don't know if I can do this flight. Both don't know if I can do this flight. Both don't know if I can do this flight. Both Miles Taylor and Olivia Troy became Miles Taylor and Olivia Troy became Miles Taylor and Olivia Troy became critics of the Trump administration, but critics of the Trump administration, but critics of the Trump administration, but they told us that has nothing to do with they told us that has nothing to do with they told us that has nothing to do with what they see as a potential threat to what they see as a potential threat to what they see as a potential threat to national security. Taylor says he became national security. Taylor says he became national security. Taylor says he became alarmed by that threat in 2018 after he alarmed by that threat in 2018 after he alarmed by that threat in 2018 after he heard of another case like his in the heard of another case like his in the heard of another case like his in the Washington area. I became aware of a US Washington area. I became aware of a US Washington area. I became aware of a US government official more senior than me government official more senior than me government official more senior than me who'd experienced similar episodes at who'd experienced similar episodes at who'd experienced similar episodes at their place of residence.

their place of residence. their place of residence. >> Wait, you say more senior than you? Are >> Wait, you say more senior than you? Are >> Wait, you say more senior than you? Are you talking about a cabinet level you talking about a cabinet level you talking about a cabinet level secretary? secretary? secretary? >> This was an individual that Yes. was >> This was an individual that Yes. was >> This was an individual that Yes. was roughly at the cabinet level in the roughly at the cabinet level in the roughly at the cabinet level in the Trump administration who had had similar Trump administration who had had similar Trump administration who had had similar episodes occur. That to me as a homeland episodes occur. That to me as a homeland episodes occur. That to me as a homeland security professional was a big blinking security professional was a big blinking security professional was a big blinking red light. I mean to me this said five red light. I mean to me this said five red light. I mean to me this said five alarm fire we may have ongoing uh alarm fire we may have ongoing uh alarm fire we may have ongoing uh activity targeting US government activity targeting US government activity targeting US government officials here in our country. officials here in our country. officials here in our country. >> Who was it? >> Who was it? >> Who was it? >> I can't say the individual uh out of >> I can't say the individual uh out of >> I can't say the individual uh out of respect for you know their privacy. Um respect for you know their privacy. Um respect for you know their privacy. Um I'll leave it at that but uh someone I'll leave it at that but uh someone I'll leave it at that but uh someone senior enough to say this is more than senior enough to say this is more than senior enough to say this is more than just a fluke. just a fluke. just a fluke. >> More than a fluke a pattern across two >> More than a fluke a pattern across two >> More than a fluke a pattern across two administrations. administrations. administrations. Recent injuries among US officials were Recent injuries among US officials were Recent injuries among US officials were reported in Vienna, Austria, ahead of a reported in Vienna, Austria, ahead of a reported in Vienna, Austria, ahead of a trip by the vice president to Vietnam trip by the vice president to Vietnam trip by the vice president to Vietnam and in India during a visit by the and in India during a visit by the and in India during a visit by the director of the CIA in 2019 during a director of the CIA in 2019 during a director of the CIA in 2019 during a visit by President Trump to London. two visit by President Trump to London. two visit by President Trump to London. two members of John Bolton's national members of John Bolton's national members of John Bolton's national security staff became ill in a hotel security staff became ill in a hotel security staff became ill in a hotel >> and uh that it was on the floor where uh >> and uh that it was on the floor where uh >> and uh that it was on the floor where uh it would completely taken up with it would completely taken up with it would completely taken up with personnel from the White House and White personnel from the White House and White personnel from the White House and White House agencies uh struck me as being House agencies uh struck me as being House agencies uh struck me as being pretty good evidence of a deliberate pretty good evidence of a deliberate pretty good evidence of a deliberate attack.

attack. attack. >> You believe it was an attack? >> You believe it was an attack? >> You believe it was an attack? >> I I don't think there's any other >> I I don't think there's any other >> I I don't think there's any other hypothesis when you begin to look at the hypothesis when you begin to look at the hypothesis when you begin to look at the the number and the pattern that we've the number and the pattern that we've the number and the pattern that we've experienced. Bolton says months later, experienced. Bolton says months later, experienced. Bolton says months later, one of those staff members hurt in one of those staff members hurt in one of those staff members hurt in London said she was overcome again London said she was overcome again London said she was overcome again walking her dog in the Washington area. walking her dog in the Washington area. walking her dog in the Washington area. We have found she is not the only one We have found she is not the only one We have found she is not the only one who says they were attacked abroad and who says they were attacked abroad and who says they were attacked abroad and later at home. You must have thought later at home. You must have thought later at home. You must have thought that when you were home in America that that when you were home in America that that when you were home in America that you were safe. I I'll tell you when I you were safe. I I'll tell you when I you were safe. I I'll tell you when I landed from China, I literally was landed from China, I literally was landed from China, I literally was kissing the ground. kissing the ground. kissing the ground. >> We met Robin Garfield in 2019. He's a >> We met Robin Garfield in 2019. He's a >> We met Robin Garfield in 2019. He's a Commerce Department official who told us Commerce Department official who told us Commerce Department official who told us that he, his wife, and two children were that he, his wife, and two children were that he, his wife, and two children were repeatedly hit in China. repeatedly hit in China. repeatedly hit in China. >> Your daughter was literally falling >> Your daughter was literally falling >> Your daughter was literally falling down. down. down. >> Yes, she fell down multiple times that >> Yes, she fell down multiple times that >> Yes, she fell down multiple times that day. day. day. >> They were evacuated and enrolled in a >> They were evacuated and enrolled in a >> They were evacuated and enrolled in a state department treatment program at state department treatment program at state department treatment program at the University of Pennsylvania.

the University of Pennsylvania. the University of Pennsylvania. Recently, Garfield told us his family Recently, Garfield told us his family Recently, Garfield told us his family was hit again during their year of was hit again during their year of was hit again during their year of treatment in Philadelphia. My wife treatment in Philadelphia. My wife treatment in Philadelphia. My wife catapulted out of bed uh and sprinted catapulted out of bed uh and sprinted catapulted out of bed uh and sprinted down the hallway to to check the down the hallway to to check the down the hallway to to check the children without any word and she came children without any word and she came children without any word and she came back and she told me that a extremely back and she told me that a extremely back and she told me that a extremely loud, painful sound um had woken her up. loud, painful sound um had woken her up. loud, painful sound um had woken her up. So, they moved to a hotel where Garfield So, they moved to a hotel where Garfield So, they moved to a hotel where Garfield says it happened again. And we woke up says it happened again. And we woke up says it happened again. And we woke up around, I believe, 2:00 a.m. um with around, I believe, 2:00 a.m. um with around, I believe, 2:00 a.m. um with strange vibrations strange vibrations strange vibrations uh in our bodies and a a sound, uh in our bodies and a a sound, uh in our bodies and a a sound, >> which led Garfield to check on his >> which led Garfield to check on his >> which led Garfield to check on his children in another room. I saw an children in another room. I saw an children in another room. I saw an extremely eerie scene where both were extremely eerie scene where both were extremely eerie scene where both were thrashing in their beds um asleep, but thrashing in their beds um asleep, but thrashing in their beds um asleep, but both kicking and moving um pretty both kicking and moving um pretty both kicking and moving um pretty aggressively. And I went over to my aggressively. And I went over to my aggressively. And I went over to my daughter and I put my head down next to daughter and I put my head down next to daughter and I put my head down next to her head and I heard a very distinct her head and I heard a very distinct her head and I heard a very distinct sound uh just right there, sort of like sound uh just right there, sort of like sound uh just right there, sort of like water rushing. So I picked her up, took water rushing. So I picked her up, took water rushing. So I picked her up, took her in, put her with my wife and came her in, put her with my wife and came her in, put her with my wife and came back and I checked my son. same sound back and I checked my son. same sound back and I checked my son. same sound just right next to his head. So I picked just right next to his head. So I picked just right next to his head. So I picked him up, put him on my shoulder, walked him up, put him on my shoulder, walked him up, put him on my shoulder, walked over to my wife and I said, "We're over to my wife and I said, "We're over to my wife and I said, "We're getting out of here."

getting out of here." getting out of here." >> Garfield reported this to the FBI. >> Garfield reported this to the FBI. >> Garfield reported this to the FBI. Today, his family is posted abroad where Today, his family is posted abroad where Today, his family is posted abroad where they continue to work to improve they continue to work to improve they continue to work to improve balance, eyesight, and memory. This is balance, eyesight, and memory. This is balance, eyesight, and memory. This is the most difficult aspect of of this the most difficult aspect of of this the most difficult aspect of of this whole uh issue for me are are the whole uh issue for me are are the whole uh issue for me are are the children who've been impacted uh both children who've been impacted uh both children who've been impacted uh both mine as well as uh many others. I I mine as well as uh many others. I I mine as well as uh many others. I I personally know uh the parents of I personally know uh the parents of I personally know uh the parents of I believe uh eight other children. I can believe uh eight other children. I can believe uh eight other children. I can tell you I've personally seen balance tell you I've personally seen balance tell you I've personally seen balance issues in children that have never had issues in children that have never had issues in children that have never had that uh trouble with finding their that uh trouble with finding their that uh trouble with finding their words, stuttering, uh and then words, stuttering, uh and then words, stuttering, uh and then continuing challenges around vision. One continuing challenges around vision. One continuing challenges around vision. One of the things that we have heard from of the things that we have heard from of the things that we have heard from some parents is that these are some parents is that these are some parents is that these are manifesting in the classroom in real manifesting in the classroom in real manifesting in the classroom in real tangible ways. Persistent neurological tangible ways. Persistent neurological tangible ways. Persistent neurological symptoms are not the only fight these symptoms are not the only fight these symptoms are not the only fight these Americans have faced. Some of their Americans have faced. Some of their Americans have faced. Some of their early reports were dismissed as early reports were dismissed as early reports were dismissed as psychossematic or illnesses connected to psychossematic or illnesses connected to psychossematic or illnesses connected to an infection or exposure to pesticides.

an infection or exposure to pesticides. an infection or exposure to pesticides. Some were told that they were suffering Some were told that they were suffering Some were told that they were suffering the effects of old sports injuries. One the effects of old sports injuries. One the effects of old sports injuries. One theory had it that the sound these theory had it that the sound these theory had it that the sound these victims heard during the incidents was victims heard during the incidents was victims heard during the incidents was actually a particular species of cicada. actually a particular species of cicada. actually a particular species of cicada. It was rough. It was rough in the It was rough. It was rough in the It was rough. It was rough in the beginning. It was a dark place to be. we beginning. It was a dark place to be. we beginning. It was a dark place to be. we were kind of shoved aside and they were kind of shoved aside and they were kind of shoved aside and they wanted it to go away. wanted it to go away. wanted it to go away. >> This man is among those who fought for >> This man is among those who fought for >> This man is among those who fought for recognition. He's one of the first cases recognition. He's one of the first cases recognition. He's one of the first cases from 2016. Americans assigned to the US from 2016. Americans assigned to the US from 2016. Americans assigned to the US embassy in Cuba say they and their embassy in Cuba say they and their embassy in Cuba say they and their families were struck at home frequently families were struck at home frequently families were struck at home frequently in the night. He remembers the first in the night. He remembers the first in the night. He remembers the first time time time >> and that night all the dogs started >> and that night all the dogs started >> and that night all the dogs started kicking off in the neighborhood barking kicking off in the neighborhood barking kicking off in the neighborhood barking which is very unusual for them all to go which is very unusual for them all to go which is very unusual for them all to go and chorus and then this just loud sound and chorus and then this just loud sound and chorus and then this just loud sound just absolutely filled my room. It felt just absolutely filled my room. It felt just absolutely filled my room. It felt like my head was slowly starting to get like my head was slowly starting to get like my head was slowly starting to get crushed. crushed. crushed. >> We agreed not to use his name. He is not >> We agreed not to use his name. He is not >> We agreed not to use his name. He is not allowed to say what federal agency he allowed to say what federal agency he allowed to say what federal agency he worked for. worked for. worked for. >> And then then the ear severe ear pain >> And then then the ear severe ear pain >> And then then the ear severe ear pain started. So I I liken it to if you put a started. So I I liken it to if you put a started. So I I liken it to if you put a Q-tip too far and you bounce off your Q-tip too far and you bounce off your Q-tip too far and you bounce off your eardrum. Well, imagine taking a sharp eardrum. Well, imagine taking a sharp eardrum. Well, imagine taking a sharp pencil and just kind of poking that. It pencil and just kind of poking that. It pencil and just kind of poking that. It was very um jarring and painful. And was very um jarring and painful. And was very um jarring and painful. And eventually I started blacking out.

eventually I started blacking out. eventually I started blacking out. With the first public reports coming With the first public reports coming With the first public reports coming from Cuba, the affliction became known from Cuba, the affliction became known from Cuba, the affliction became known as Havana syndrome. More than two dozen as Havana syndrome. More than two dozen as Havana syndrome. More than two dozen embassy officials reported injury, but embassy officials reported injury, but embassy officials reported injury, but an early FBI report speculated it was an early FBI report speculated it was an early FBI report speculated it was all mass hysteria. His brain injuries all mass hysteria. His brain injuries all mass hysteria. His brain injuries left him disabled, essentially retired left him disabled, essentially retired left him disabled, essentially retired at the age of 36. A weighted vest helps at the age of 36. A weighted vest helps at the age of 36. A weighted vest helps him balance. His service dog helps with him balance. His service dog helps with him balance. His service dog helps with walking and his loss of vision. walking and his loss of vision. walking and his loss of vision. >> Legally blind in one eye. >> Legally blind in one eye. >> Legally blind in one eye. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Correct. Yeah. >> What have the doctors told you? >> What have the doctors told you? >> What have the doctors told you? >> It's not the eye, it's the wiring. >> It's not the eye, it's the wiring. >> It's not the eye, it's the wiring. >> What do you mean? that the the eye >> What do you mean? that the the eye >> What do you mean? that the the eye function as itself is completely correct function as itself is completely correct function as itself is completely correct and appropriate. It's the signal that and appropriate. It's the signal that and appropriate. It's the signal that comes out the back of the eye into the comes out the back of the eye into the comes out the back of the eye into the brain is where where the problems are brain is where where the problems are brain is where where the problems are and no one really knows how to fix that. and no one really knows how to fix that. and no one really knows how to fix that. >> He is speaking tonight for the first >> He is speaking tonight for the first >> He is speaking tonight for the first time time time >> to put an end to doubt. >> to put an end to doubt. >> to put an end to doubt. >> You have not wanted to do this >> You have not wanted to do this >> You have not wanted to do this interview.

interview. interview. >> No, this is probably one of my worst >> No, this is probably one of my worst >> No, this is probably one of my worst nightmares. nightmares. nightmares. >> Why is that? >> Why is that? >> Why is that? I didn't do my job because I want to be I didn't do my job because I want to be I didn't do my job because I want to be known. I did my job because I love my known. I did my job because I love my known. I did my job because I love my country and I was good at it. God, and I country and I was good at it. God, and I country and I was good at it. God, and I miss my job. I'm here because I'm tired miss my job. I'm here because I'm tired miss my job. I'm here because I'm tired of the gaslighting that keeps happening of the gaslighting that keeps happening of the gaslighting that keeps happening from the US government. I'm tired of from the US government. I'm tired of from the US government. I'm tired of this yo-yoing because I'm watching new this yo-yoing because I'm watching new this yo-yoing because I'm watching new colleagues and friends that I've trained colleagues and friends that I've trained colleagues and friends that I've trained with and friends that I've known for with and friends that I've known for with and friends that I've known for years that are being sent to these years that are being sent to these years that are being sent to these countries and coming back a shell of countries and coming back a shell of countries and coming back a shell of their former selves. We need to help their former selves. We need to help their former selves. We need to help them and we need to stop this. them and we need to stop this. them and we need to stop this. But who is it that must be stopped? When But who is it that must be stopped? When But who is it that must be stopped? When we come back, we'll ask the director of we come back, we'll ask the director of we come back, we'll ask the director of the CIA about his investigation, and the CIA about his investigation, and the CIA about his investigation, and we'll look at the kind of device capable we'll look at the kind of device capable we'll look at the kind of device capable of inflicting brain injury without a of inflicting brain injury without a of inflicting brain injury without a trace. Brain injuries suffered by US officials Brain injuries suffered by US officials in Washington and abroad are the focus in Washington and abroad are the focus in Washington and abroad are the focus of an intense investigation. After of an intense investigation. After of an intense investigation. After starting with around 1,000 possible starting with around 1,000 possible starting with around 1,000 possible cases, a CIA task force has zeroed in on cases, a CIA task force has zeroed in on cases, a CIA task force has zeroed in on about two dozen that cannot be about two dozen that cannot be about two dozen that cannot be explained. The task force, which explained. The task force, which explained. The task force, which includes the FBI, is led by a CIA includes the FBI, is led by a CIA includes the FBI, is led by a CIA officer who helped find Osama bin Laden.

officer who helped find Osama bin Laden. officer who helped find Osama bin Laden. The new director of the CIA, William The new director of the CIA, William The new director of the CIA, William Burns, told us one thing is already Burns, told us one thing is already Burns, told us one thing is already clear. After early disbelief, these clear. After early disbelief, these clear. After early disbelief, these injured Americans can no longer be injured Americans can no longer be injured Americans can no longer be doubted. doubted. doubted. >> In my first week as director, I began >> In my first week as director, I began >> In my first week as director, I began what have become dozens and dozens of what have become dozens and dozens of what have become dozens and dozens of meetings with affected officers and meetings with affected officers and meetings with affected officers and family members, and I've found their family members, and I've found their family members, and I've found their stories to be powerful and compelling stories to be powerful and compelling stories to be powerful and compelling and sometimes heartbreaking. and sometimes heartbreaking. and sometimes heartbreaking. >> Bill Burns had heard those stories from >> Bill Burns had heard those stories from >> Bill Burns had heard those stories from CIA officers who reported injuries since CIA officers who reported injuries since CIA officers who reported injuries since 2016. 2016. 2016. But this past fall, while on an official But this past fall, while on an official But this past fall, while on an official visit to India, a member of his staff visit to India, a member of his staff visit to India, a member of his staff was stricken in their hotel. Later, was stricken in their hotel. Later, was stricken in their hotel. Later, Burns personally escorted that staff Burns personally escorted that staff Burns personally escorted that staff member to medical evaluations. It seems member to medical evaluations. It seems member to medical evaluations. It seems that the Delhi incident might have been that the Delhi incident might have been that the Delhi incident might have been intended to send you a message. intended to send you a message. intended to send you a message. >> I don't know, and as I said, I can't >> I don't know, and as I said, I can't >> I don't know, and as I said, I can't comment on individual cases here as comment on individual cases here as comment on individual cases here as well. All I can tell you is that each well. All I can tell you is that each well. All I can tell you is that each story I've heard, each officer I've met story I've heard, each officer I've met story I've heard, each officer I've met with who's been affected by this just with who's been affected by this just with who's been affected by this just redoubles my commitment and my redoubles my commitment and my redoubles my commitment and my determination on this issue. I have determination on this issue. I have determination on this issue. I have enormous faith in our officers.

enormous faith in our officers. enormous faith in our officers. >> Bill Burns served five presidents at the >> Bill Burns served five presidents at the >> Bill Burns served five presidents at the State Department, rising to the highest State Department, rising to the highest State Department, rising to the highest rank in the foreign service. He took rank in the foreign service. He took rank in the foreign service. He took over CIA for President Biden last over CIA for President Biden last over CIA for President Biden last spring. spring. spring. >> Early on, I tripled the number of >> Early on, I tripled the number of >> Early on, I tripled the number of full-time medical personnel working on full-time medical personnel working on full-time medical personnel working on this issue. We streamlined access to this issue. We streamlined access to this issue. We streamlined access to Walter Reed, established new Walter Reed, established new Walter Reed, established new partnerships with other worldclass partnerships with other worldclass partnerships with other worldclass medical providers, increased the number medical providers, increased the number medical providers, increased the number of case managers, and we're also making of case managers, and we're also making of case managers, and we're also making progress on the investigative side as progress on the investigative side as progress on the investigative side as well. well. well. >> Progress on the investigative side came >> Progress on the investigative side came >> Progress on the investigative side came this month with a report on the nature this month with a report on the nature this month with a report on the nature of the brain injury. of the brain injury. of the brain injury. >> What we're hearing about now is >> What we're hearing about now is >> What we're hearing about now is >> Dr. David Realman helped lead two >> Dr. David Realman helped lead two >> Dr. David Realman helped lead two government panels that investigated the government panels that investigated the government panels that investigated the injuries. He's a professor of medicine injuries. He's a professor of medicine injuries. He's a professor of medicine at Stanford University. at Stanford University. at Stanford University. >> What we found was, we thought, clear >> What we found was, we thought, clear >> What we found was, we thought, clear evidence of an injury to the auditory evidence of an injury to the auditory evidence of an injury to the auditory and vestibular system of the brain. and vestibular system of the brain. and vestibular system of the brain. Everything starting with the inner ear Everything starting with the inner ear Everything starting with the inner ear where humans perceive where humans perceive where humans perceive sound and sense balance and then sound and sense balance and then sound and sense balance and then translate those perceptions into translate those perceptions into translate those perceptions into uh brain electrical signals. Dr.

uh brain electrical signals. Dr. uh brain electrical signals. Dr. Realman's committees focused on one Realman's committees focused on one Realman's committees focused on one subset of patients whose experiences subset of patients whose experiences subset of patients whose experiences seemed inexplicable. seemed inexplicable. seemed inexplicable. >> This subset of cases had a very unusual >> This subset of cases had a very unusual >> This subset of cases had a very unusual so-called acute sensory event, an so-called acute sensory event, an so-called acute sensory event, an experience that consisted of the abrupt experience that consisted of the abrupt experience that consisted of the abrupt onset of intense pressure or vibration onset of intense pressure or vibration onset of intense pressure or vibration in the face or head, sometimes with the in the face or head, sometimes with the in the face or head, sometimes with the abrupt onset of sound. sound like that abrupt onset of sound. sound like that abrupt onset of sound. sound like that described by the officials who spoke to described by the officials who spoke to described by the officials who spoke to us. us. us. >> And then this just loud sound just >> And then this just loud sound just >> And then this just loud sound just absolutely filled my room. absolutely filled my room. absolutely filled my room. >> This former official who we agreed not >> This former official who we agreed not >> This former official who we agreed not to name recorded the sound at his home to name recorded the sound at his home to name recorded the sound at his home in Havana. Before we play it, understand in Havana. Before we play it, understand in Havana. Before we play it, understand that the sound does not cause the that the sound does not cause the that the sound does not cause the injury. It is a byproduct like the sound injury. It is a byproduct like the sound injury. It is a byproduct like the sound of a gun, which is not what does the of a gun, which is not what does the of a gun, which is not what does the harm. Here's what he recorded.

The injured officials we spoke with said The injured officials we spoke with said the sound or a feeling of pressure came the sound or a feeling of pressure came the sound or a feeling of pressure came from one direction and focused in one from one direction and focused in one from one direction and focused in one location. location. location. >> There was a a continuous sound and uh >> There was a a continuous sound and uh >> There was a a continuous sound and uh one that only changed based on my one that only changed based on my one that only changed based on my location. They left it dissipated. They location. They left it dissipated. They location. They left it dissipated. They returned it recurred. That to us was returned it recurred. That to us was returned it recurred. That to us was something that we had never heard of. We something that we had never heard of. We something that we had never heard of. We could not explain by known medical or could not explain by known medical or could not explain by known medical or environmental conditions and to us environmental conditions and to us environmental conditions and to us deserved our special attention in an deserved our special attention in an deserved our special attention in an effort to understand what might be the effort to understand what might be the effort to understand what might be the plausible mechanism. plausible mechanism. plausible mechanism. >> That mechanism, Dr. Railman's committees >> That mechanism, Dr. Railman's committees >> That mechanism, Dr. Railman's committees concluded, was most likely pulsed concluded, was most likely pulsed concluded, was most likely pulsed electromagnetic energy. In other words, electromagnetic energy. In other words, electromagnetic energy. In other words, a focused beam of microwaves fired from a focused beam of microwaves fired from a focused beam of microwaves fired from a distance. a distance. a distance. >> I think the best explanation, the most >> I think the best explanation, the most >> I think the best explanation, the most plausible is that it's a high power plausible is that it's a high power plausible is that it's a high power microwave weapon. microwave weapon. microwave weapon. >> James Benford is a physicist and leading >> James Benford is a physicist and leading >> James Benford is a physicist and leading authority on microwaves. He was not part authority on microwaves. He was not part authority on microwaves. He was not part of the government studies, but he of the government studies, but he of the government studies, but he co-wrote the book on microwave co-wrote the book on microwave co-wrote the book on microwave transmission.

transmission. transmission. These are portable microwave These are portable microwave These are portable microwave transmitters of the kind that could transmitters of the kind that could transmitters of the kind that could damage the tissues of the brain. damage the tissues of the brain. damage the tissues of the brain. >> There are many kinds and they can go >> There are many kinds and they can go >> There are many kinds and they can go anywhere in size from a suitcase all the anywhere in size from a suitcase all the anywhere in size from a suitcase all the way up to a large tractor trailer unit. way up to a large tractor trailer unit. way up to a large tractor trailer unit. And the bigger the device, the longer And the bigger the device, the longer And the bigger the device, the longer the range. the range. the range. >> This would be able to transmit its >> This would be able to transmit its >> This would be able to transmit its microwave energy through the wall of a microwave energy through the wall of a microwave energy through the wall of a van, the wall of a home, something like van, the wall of a home, something like van, the wall of a home, something like that. Fans have windows. Microwaves go that. Fans have windows. Microwaves go that. Fans have windows. Microwaves go through glass. They go through brick. through glass. They go through brick. through glass. They go through brick. They go through practically everything. They go through practically everything. They go through practically everything. >> The technology, Benford told us, has >> The technology, Benford told us, has >> The technology, Benford told us, has been studied more than 50 years. been studied more than 50 years. been studied more than 50 years. >> It's been developed widely in perhaps a >> It's been developed widely in perhaps a >> It's been developed widely in perhaps a dozen countries. The primary countries dozen countries. The primary countries dozen countries. The primary countries are the United States, Russia, and are the United States, Russia, and are the United States, Russia, and China. The implications of a mechanism China. The implications of a mechanism China. The implications of a mechanism like that suggest something different like that suggest something different like that suggest something different about the world now involving the loss about the world now involving the loss about the world now involving the loss of norms. Humans were affected in a of norms. Humans were affected in a of norms. Humans were affected in a serious fashion and for that very reason serious fashion and for that very reason serious fashion and for that very reason alone we have to understand this better.

alone we have to understand this better. alone we have to understand this better. >> The investigation is also trying to >> The investigation is also trying to >> The investigation is also trying to understand who could be behind this and understand who could be behind this and understand who could be behind this and their motive. Microwaves can be a tool their motive. Microwaves can be a tool their motive. Microwaves can be a tool for spies. Some devices are capable of for spies. Some devices are capable of for spies. Some devices are capable of collecting data remotely from phones and collecting data remotely from phones and collecting data remotely from phones and computers. Whatever is causing the brain computers. Whatever is causing the brain computers. Whatever is causing the brain injuries, a CIA interim report last injuries, a CIA interim report last injuries, a CIA interim report last month said there is no evidence of a month said there is no evidence of a month said there is no evidence of a massive global campaign to attack massive global campaign to attack massive global campaign to attack Americans. The interim CIA report last Americans. The interim CIA report last Americans. The interim CIA report last month said, "We assess it unlikely that month said, "We assess it unlikely that month said, "We assess it unlikely that a foreign actor, including Russia, is a foreign actor, including Russia, is a foreign actor, including Russia, is conducting a sustained worldwide conducting a sustained worldwide conducting a sustained worldwide campaign harming US personnel with a campaign harming US personnel with a campaign harming US personnel with a weapon or a mechanism." Do you mean to weapon or a mechanism." Do you mean to weapon or a mechanism." Do you mean to say that no one was harmed by a hostile say that no one was harmed by a hostile say that no one was harmed by a hostile actor? actor? actor? >> Not at all. The intelligence community >> Not at all. The intelligence community >> Not at all. The intelligence community assesses now that there's not a single assesses now that there's not a single assesses now that there's not a single cause that it would explain the more cause that it would explain the more cause that it would explain the more than a thousand incidents that have been than a thousand incidents that have been than a thousand incidents that have been reported since Havana in 2016. We've reported since Havana in 2016. We've reported since Havana in 2016. We've also not yet been able to link a foreign also not yet been able to link a foreign also not yet been able to link a foreign state actor or an external device or state actor or an external device or state actor or an external device or mechanism to any of those cases.

mechanism to any of those cases. mechanism to any of those cases. >> This is the world's preeminent >> This is the world's preeminent >> This is the world's preeminent intelligence agency. Why is this so hard intelligence agency. Why is this so hard intelligence agency. Why is this so hard to figure out? It's a very complicated to figure out? It's a very complicated to figure out? It's a very complicated issue um you know dealing with a whole issue um you know dealing with a whole issue um you know dealing with a whole range of incidents which have you know range of incidents which have you know range of incidents which have you know different kinds of explanations for them different kinds of explanations for them different kinds of explanations for them as well. It's a very charged issue as well. It's a very charged issue as well. It's a very charged issue emotionally as well. I understand that emotionally as well. I understand that emotionally as well. I understand that very clearly and that's what you know very clearly and that's what you know very clearly and that's what you know makes me even more determined not only makes me even more determined not only makes me even more determined not only to ensure people get the care that they to ensure people get the care that they to ensure people get the care that they deserve but also that we get to the deserve but also that we get to the deserve but also that we get to the bottom of this. Former national security bottom of this. Former national security bottom of this. Former national security adviser John Bolton fears there is a adviser John Bolton fears there is a adviser John Bolton fears there is a threat to the highest levels of threat to the highest levels of threat to the highest levels of government given the two national government given the two national government given the two national security officials who say they were security officials who say they were security officials who say they were overcome on West Executive Avenue by the overcome on West Executive Avenue by the overcome on West Executive Avenue by the West Wing inside the White House gates. West Wing inside the White House gates. West Wing inside the White House gates. If we were at war and an adversary could If we were at war and an adversary could If we were at war and an adversary could disable the president and his top disable the president and his top disable the president and his top advisers or commanders in the field, it advisers or commanders in the field, it advisers or commanders in the field, it could render us extraordinarily could render us extraordinarily could render us extraordinarily vulnerable. Uh, we don't know that vulnerable. Uh, we don't know that vulnerable. Uh, we don't know that that's the threat we're facing, but I that's the threat we're facing, but I that's the threat we're facing, but I would much rather focus on finding out would much rather focus on finding out would much rather focus on finding out the answer now rather than finding out the answer now rather than finding out the answer now rather than finding out later when it may be too late.

later when it may be too late. later when it may be too late. >> Former Homeland Security Chief of Staff >> Former Homeland Security Chief of Staff >> Former Homeland Security Chief of Staff Miles Taylor says he believes he was Miles Taylor says he believes he was Miles Taylor says he believes he was targeted in two mysterious incidents at targeted in two mysterious incidents at targeted in two mysterious incidents at his Washington home. his Washington home. his Washington home. >> Someone is trying to send us a message >> Someone is trying to send us a message >> Someone is trying to send us a message that they can strike blows against us that they can strike blows against us that they can strike blows against us and we can't strike back. That line and we can't strike back. That line and we can't strike back. That line being crossed into the United States being crossed into the United States being crossed into the United States takes this in some ways uh just shy of takes this in some ways uh just shy of takes this in some ways uh just shy of the realm of warfare. the realm of warfare. the realm of warfare. >> Is the national security structure in >> Is the national security structure in >> Is the national security structure in danger of being incapacitated during a danger of being incapacitated during a danger of being incapacitated during a time of crisis? time of crisis? time of crisis? >> No, I don't think that's the case. Um >> No, I don't think that's the case. Um >> No, I don't think that's the case. Um >> but if people are being overcome on West >> but if people are being overcome on West >> but if people are being overcome on West Executive Avenue, is that an indication Executive Avenue, is that an indication Executive Avenue, is that an indication that the White House and its grounds are that the White House and its grounds are that the White House and its grounds are no longer safe? no longer safe? no longer safe? >> No, I don't believe that's the case. >> No, I don't believe that's the case. >> No, I don't believe that's the case. What it is an indication of is that we What it is an indication of is that we What it is an indication of is that we need to take each of these reported need to take each of these reported need to take each of these reported incidents very seriously and as a incidents very seriously and as a incidents very seriously and as a government and this is a governmentwide government and this is a governmentwide government and this is a governmentwide effort uh to pour the very best effort uh to pour the very best effort uh to pour the very best resources we have into this. resources we have into this. resources we have into this. >> What line is crossed if a hostile actor >> What line is crossed if a hostile actor >> What line is crossed if a hostile actor is doing this in Washington DC?

is doing this in Washington DC? is doing this in Washington DC? >> Oh that that would be a pretty profound >> Oh that that would be a pretty profound >> Oh that that would be a pretty profound line to be crossed if in fact that were line to be crossed if in fact that were line to be crossed if in fact that were the case. if we were ever able to the case. if we were ever able to the case. if we were ever able to develop concrete evidence that that were develop concrete evidence that that were develop concrete evidence that that were the case, but we do not have evidence of the case, but we do not have evidence of the case, but we do not have evidence of that at this point. that at this point. that at this point. >> You understand how frustrating your >> You understand how frustrating your >> You understand how frustrating your comments must be to some of these people comments must be to some of these people comments must be to some of these people who believe they know exactly what who believe they know exactly what who believe they know exactly what happened to them on what day and at what happened to them on what day and at what happened to them on what day and at what time and what happened to their time and what happened to their time and what happened to their children. And yet the director of the children. And yet the director of the children. And yet the director of the CIA is saying, "We can't connect the CIA is saying, "We can't connect the CIA is saying, "We can't connect the dots. We don't know enough yet. We're dots. We don't know enough yet. We're dots. We don't know enough yet. We're not at a position yet where we can offer not at a position yet where we can offer not at a position yet where we can offer hard evidence that would connect all hard evidence that would connect all hard evidence that would connect all those dots. But as I said, we're not those dots. But as I said, we're not those dots. But as I said, we're not done yet. We still have a lot of work to done yet. We still have a lot of work to done yet. We still have a lot of work to do. And what I've said directly to a do. And what I've said directly to a do. And what I've said directly to a number of those officers is my promise number of those officers is my promise number of those officers is my promise is that I am absolutely committed uh to is that I am absolutely committed uh to is that I am absolutely committed uh to exhausting every alternative so that we exhausting every alternative so that we exhausting every alternative so that we can provide the kind of answers that we can provide the kind of answers that we can provide the kind of answers that we owe them. owe them. owe them. >> This past summer in Geneva, President >> This past summer in Geneva, President >> This past summer in Geneva, President Biden raised the issue with Russian Biden raised the issue with Russian Biden raised the issue with Russian President Putin. The Russians deny President Putin. The Russians deny President Putin. The Russians deny they're involved. The Secret Service they're involved. The Secret Service they're involved. The Secret Service declined to comment on White House declined to comment on White House declined to comment on White House security.

security. security. The iron gates of West Executive Avenue The iron gates of West Executive Avenue The iron gates of West Executive Avenue by the West Wing went up in 1951 by the West Wing went up in 1951 by the West Wing went up in 1951 after the attempted assassination of after the attempted assassination of after the attempted assassination of Harry Truman. 70 years later, there is Harry Truman. 70 years later, there is Harry Truman. 70 years later, there is evidence the gates may have been evidence the gates may have been evidence the gates may have been breached by an invisible threat. Tonight, we have important developments Tonight, we have important developments in our 5-year investigation of in our 5-year investigation of in our 5-year investigation of mysterious brain injuries reported by US mysterious brain injuries reported by US mysterious brain injuries reported by US National Security officials. The injured National Security officials. The injured National Security officials. The injured include White House staff, CIA officers, include White House staff, CIA officers, include White House staff, CIA officers, FBI agents, military officers, and their FBI agents, military officers, and their FBI agents, military officers, and their families. Many believe that they were families. Many believe that they were families. Many believe that they were wounded by a secret weapon that fires a wounded by a secret weapon that fires a wounded by a secret weapon that fires a high energy beam of microwaves or high energy beam of microwaves or high energy beam of microwaves or ultrasound. This is our fourth story, ultrasound. This is our fourth story, ultrasound. This is our fourth story, and for the first time, we have evidence and for the first time, we have evidence and for the first time, we have evidence of who might be responsible. Most of the of who might be responsible. Most of the of who might be responsible. Most of the injured have fought for America, often injured have fought for America, often injured have fought for America, often in secret, and they're frustrated that in secret, and they're frustrated that in secret, and they're frustrated that the US government publicly doubts that the US government publicly doubts that the US government publicly doubts that an adversary is targeting Americans.

an adversary is targeting Americans. an adversary is targeting Americans. One of them is Carrie. We're disguising One of them is Carrie. We're disguising One of them is Carrie. We're disguising her and not using her last name because her and not using her last name because her and not using her last name because she's still an FBI agent working in she's still an FBI agent working in she's still an FBI agent working in counter intelligence. counter intelligence. counter intelligence. >> She says in 2021 she was home in Florida >> She says in 2021 she was home in Florida >> She says in 2021 she was home in Florida when she was hit by a crippling force when she was hit by a crippling force when she was hit by a crippling force >> and bam, inside my right ear. It was >> and bam, inside my right ear. It was >> and bam, inside my right ear. It was like a dentist drilling on steroids. like a dentist drilling on steroids. like a dentist drilling on steroids. That feeling uh when it that it gets too That feeling uh when it that it gets too That feeling uh when it that it gets too close to your eardrum. It's like that, close to your eardrum. It's like that, close to your eardrum. It's like that, you know, times 10. It was like a you know, times 10. It was like a you know, times 10. It was like a high-pitched metallic drilling noise and high-pitched metallic drilling noise and high-pitched metallic drilling noise and it knocked me forward at like a 45 it knocked me forward at like a 45 it knocked me forward at like a 45 degree angle this way. degree angle this way. degree angle this way. >> She says she was by a window in her >> She says she was by a window in her >> She says she was by a window in her laundry room. laundry room. laundry room. >> My right ear was line of sight to that >> My right ear was line of sight to that >> My right ear was line of sight to that window while this thing was happening in window while this thing was happening in window while this thing was happening in my ear. And when I leaned forward, it my ear. And when I leaned forward, it my ear. And when I leaned forward, it kind of knock it didn't knock me over, kind of knock it didn't knock me over, kind of knock it didn't knock me over, but it knocked me forward. I immediately but it knocked me forward. I immediately but it knocked me forward. I immediately felt pressure and pressure and pain felt pressure and pressure and pain felt pressure and pressure and pain started coursing from inside my right started coursing from inside my right started coursing from inside my right ear down my jaw down my neck and into my ear down my jaw down my neck and into my ear down my jaw down my neck and into my chest.

chest. chest. >> At the same time, FBI agent Carrie told >> At the same time, FBI agent Carrie told >> At the same time, FBI agent Carrie told us the battery in her phone began to us the battery in her phone began to us the battery in her phone began to swell until it broke the case. swell until it broke the case. swell until it broke the case. >> Finally, she passed out on a couch >> Finally, she passed out on a couch >> Finally, she passed out on a couch >> because of chest pain. She was checked >> because of chest pain. She was checked >> because of chest pain. She was checked by a cardiologist and then returned to by a cardiologist and then returned to by a cardiologist and then returned to duty. duty. duty. >> And I remember complaining to my >> And I remember complaining to my >> And I remember complaining to my colleagues uh for months after that. I colleagues uh for months after that. I colleagues uh for months after that. I felt like I had early Alzheimer's. felt like I had early Alzheimer's. felt like I had early Alzheimer's. Short-term memory, long-term memory, Short-term memory, long-term memory, Short-term memory, long-term memory, confusing memories, uh multitasking. My confusing memories, uh multitasking. My confusing memories, uh multitasking. My baseline changed. I was not the same baseline changed. I was not the same baseline changed. I was not the same person. person. person. >> Car's story matches those we've >> Car's story matches those we've >> Car's story matches those we've uncovered over the years. uncovered over the years. uncovered over the years. >> It was like this piercing >> It was like this piercing >> It was like this piercing feeling on the side of my head. It was feeling on the side of my head. It was feeling on the side of my head. It was like I remember it was on the right side like I remember it was on the right side like I remember it was on the right side of my head and I I got like vertigo. of my head and I I got like vertigo. of my head and I I got like vertigo. >> Olivia Troy was Homeland Security >> Olivia Troy was Homeland Security >> Olivia Troy was Homeland Security Advisor to Vice President Mike Pence. In Advisor to Vice President Mike Pence. In Advisor to Vice President Mike Pence. In our 2022 report, she told us she was hit our 2022 report, she told us she was hit our 2022 report, she told us she was hit outside the White House outside the White House outside the White House >> and then severe ear pain started. So I I >> and then severe ear pain started. So I I >> and then severe ear pain started. So I I liken it to if you put a Q-tip too far liken it to if you put a Q-tip too far liken it to if you put a Q-tip too far and you bounced off your eardrum. Well, and you bounced off your eardrum. Well, and you bounced off your eardrum. Well, imagine taking a sharp pencil and just imagine taking a sharp pencil and just imagine taking a sharp pencil and just kind of poke in that. And this man told kind of poke in that. And this man told kind of poke in that. And this man told us he was among the first publicly known us he was among the first publicly known us he was among the first publicly known cases in 2016 from our embassy in Cuba.

cases in 2016 from our embassy in Cuba. cases in 2016 from our embassy in Cuba. That's how the incidents became known as That's how the incidents became known as That's how the incidents became known as Havana syndrome. He's medically retired Havana syndrome. He's medically retired Havana syndrome. He's medically retired from an agency we can't name. Blind in from an agency we can't name. Blind in from an agency we can't name. Blind in one eye and struggling for balance. one eye and struggling for balance. one eye and struggling for balance. >> What we're hearing about now is one >> What we're hearing about now is one >> What we're hearing about now is one >> a major medical study for the government >> a major medical study for the government >> a major medical study for the government was led by Dr. David Railman of Stanford was led by Dr. David Railman of Stanford was led by Dr. David Railman of Stanford University. In our 2022 report, he told University. In our 2022 report, he told University. In our 2022 report, he told us us us >> what we found was, we thought, clear >> what we found was, we thought, clear >> what we found was, we thought, clear evidence of an injury to the auditory evidence of an injury to the auditory evidence of an injury to the auditory and vestibular system of the brain. and vestibular system of the brain. and vestibular system of the brain. Everything starting with the inner ear Everything starting with the inner ear Everything starting with the inner ear where humans perceive where humans perceive where humans perceive sound and sense balance and then sound and sense balance and then sound and sense balance and then translate those perceptions into translate those perceptions into translate those perceptions into uh brain electrical signals. uh brain electrical signals. uh brain electrical signals. >> His study found directed pulsed radio >> His study found directed pulsed radio >> His study found directed pulsed radio frequency energy appears to be the most frequency energy appears to be the most frequency energy appears to be the most plausible mechanism. For example, a plausible mechanism. For example, a plausible mechanism. For example, a focused beam of microwaves or acoustic focused beam of microwaves or acoustic focused beam of microwaves or acoustic ultrasound. More than 100 officials or ultrasound. More than 100 officials or ultrasound. More than 100 officials or family members have unexplained family members have unexplained family members have unexplained persistent symptoms.

persistent symptoms. persistent symptoms. >> If I turn too fast, my gyroscope is off. >> If I turn too fast, my gyroscope is off. >> If I turn too fast, my gyroscope is off. Essentially, it's like a step behind Essentially, it's like a step behind Essentially, it's like a step behind where I'm supposed to be. So, I'll turn where I'm supposed to be. So, I'll turn where I'm supposed to be. So, I'll turn too fast and I will literally walk right too fast and I will literally walk right too fast and I will literally walk right into the wall or the door frame. into the wall or the door frame. into the wall or the door frame. Now, for the first time, the case of FBI Now, for the first time, the case of FBI Now, for the first time, the case of FBI agent Carrie suggests which adversary agent Carrie suggests which adversary agent Carrie suggests which adversary might be responsible. She spoke with the might be responsible. She spoke with the might be responsible. She spoke with the FBI's permission, but wasn't allowed to FBI's permission, but wasn't allowed to FBI's permission, but wasn't allowed to discuss the cases she was on when she discuss the cases she was on when she discuss the cases she was on when she was hit. We have learned from other was hit. We have learned from other was hit. We have learned from other sources, one of those cases involved sources, one of those cases involved sources, one of those cases involved this Mustang this Mustang this Mustang going 110 m an hour. going 110 m an hour. going 110 m an hour. >> Pull over. Pull over. >> Pull over. Pull over. >> Pull over. Pull over. >> In 2020, near Key West, Florida, >> In 2020, near Key West, Florida, >> In 2020, near Key West, Florida, deputies tried to stop the Mustang for deputies tried to stop the Mustang for deputies tried to stop the Mustang for speeding. It ran 15 miles until it hit speeding. It ran 15 miles until it hit speeding. It ran 15 miles until it hit spike strips laid in its path.

A search of the car found notes of bank A search of the car found notes of bank accounts. accounts. accounts. >> City Bank, >> City Bank, >> City Bank, >> discover savings, 75,000. >> discover savings, 75,000. >> discover savings, 75,000. >> And this device that looks like a >> And this device that looks like a >> And this device that looks like a walkie-talkie can erase the car's walkie-talkie can erase the car's walkie-talkie can erase the car's computer data, including its GPS record. computer data, including its GPS record. computer data, including its GPS record. There was also a Russian passport. There was also a Russian passport. There was also a Russian passport. >> What's your first name? >> What's your first name? >> What's your first name? >> Vitali. V I T A L I I. >> Vitali. V I T A L I I. >> Vitali. V I T A L I I. >> Vitali Kovalev was the driver from St. >> Vitali Kovalev was the driver from St. >> Vitali Kovalev was the driver from St. Petersburg. Russia, not Florida. Petersburg. Russia, not Florida. Petersburg. Russia, not Florida. >> Why did you run? Let me be honest with >> Why did you run? Let me be honest with >> Why did you run? Let me be honest with you. you. you. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> You don't know why you ran? >> You don't know why you ran? >> You don't know why you ran? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> And we don't know why he ran. But what >> And we don't know why he ran. But what >> And we don't know why he ran. But what we learned suggests he was a Russian we learned suggests he was a Russian we learned suggests he was a Russian spy. spy. spy. >> What we see here is Vitali Kovik fitting >> What we see here is Vitali Kovik fitting >> What we see here is Vitali Kovik fitting exactly this formula. Christo Grov is a exactly this formula. Christo Grov is a exactly this formula. Christo Grov is a journalist legendary for unmasking journalist legendary for unmasking journalist legendary for unmasking Russian plots. In 2020, he uncovered the Russian plots. In 2020, he uncovered the Russian plots. In 2020, he uncovered the names of the Russian secret agents who names of the Russian secret agents who names of the Russian secret agents who poisoned Vladimir Putin's rival Alexi poisoned Vladimir Putin's rival Alexi poisoned Vladimir Putin's rival Alexi Navali. Navali. Navali. Rosev is lead investigator for our Rosev is lead investigator for our Rosev is lead investigator for our collaborator on this story, The Insider, collaborator on this story, The Insider, collaborator on this story, The Insider, a magazine by Russian exiles.

a magazine by Russian exiles. a magazine by Russian exiles. We asked him to trace Vitali Kovalev. He We asked him to trace Vitali Kovalev. He We asked him to trace Vitali Kovalev. He studied in a military institute. He studied in a military institute. He studied in a military institute. He studied radio electronics with a studied radio electronics with a studied radio electronics with a particular focus on use within the particular focus on use within the particular focus on use within the military of u of micro electronics. He military of u of micro electronics. He military of u of micro electronics. He had all the technology knowhow that had all the technology knowhow that had all the technology knowhow that would be required for somebody to be would be required for somebody to be would be required for somebody to be assisting an operation that requires assisting an operation that requires assisting an operation that requires high technology. And then all of a high technology. And then all of a high technology. And then all of a sudden after working for two years in a sudden after working for two years in a sudden after working for two years in a military institute he up and decides to military institute he up and decides to military institute he up and decides to become a chef. Kovalev immigrated to the become a chef. Kovalev immigrated to the become a chef. Kovalev immigrated to the US and worked as a chef in New York and US and worked as a chef in New York and US and worked as a chef in New York and Washington DC, even appearing at Far Washington DC, even appearing at Far Washington DC, even appearing at Far Left in a TV cooking segment. Left in a TV cooking segment. Left in a TV cooking segment. >> Traditional Russian recipes thanks to >> Traditional Russian recipes thanks to >> Traditional Russian recipes thanks to our wonderful chef. our wonderful chef. our wonderful chef. >> But Kovalev was actually a Russian >> But Kovalev was actually a Russian >> But Kovalev was actually a Russian military electrical engineer with a top military electrical engineer with a top military electrical engineer with a top secret security clearance. the last secret security clearance. the last secret security clearance. the last minute. minute. minute. >> Can someone like Kovalev simply decide >> Can someone like Kovalev simply decide >> Can someone like Kovalev simply decide to drop all of that and become a chef?

to drop all of that and become a chef? to drop all of that and become a chef? >> It is not an easy job to just leave that >> It is not an easy job to just leave that >> It is not an easy job to just leave that behind. Once you're in the military and behind. Once you're in the military and behind. Once you're in the military and you've been trained and the Ministry of you've been trained and the Ministry of you've been trained and the Ministry of Defense has invested in you, you remain Defense has invested in you, you remain Defense has invested in you, you remain at their beck and call for the rest of at their beck and call for the rest of at their beck and call for the rest of your life. total. your life. total. your life. total. >> We don't know what Kovalev was up to, >> We don't know what Kovalev was up to, >> We don't know what Kovalev was up to, but our sources say over months he spent but our sources say over months he spent but our sources say over months he spent 80 hours being interviewed by FBI agent 80 hours being interviewed by FBI agent 80 hours being interviewed by FBI agent Carrie, who had investigated multiple Carrie, who had investigated multiple Carrie, who had investigated multiple Russian spies. Kovalev plead guilty to Russian spies. Kovalev plead guilty to Russian spies. Kovalev plead guilty to evading police and reckless driving. He evading police and reckless driving. He evading police and reckless driving. He was sentenced to 30 months. while he was was sentenced to 30 months. while he was was sentenced to 30 months. while he was in jail. Carrie says she was hit in in jail. Carrie says she was hit in in jail. Carrie says she was hit in Florida and a year later when she awoke Florida and a year later when she awoke Florida and a year later when she awoke to the same symptoms in the middle of to the same symptoms in the middle of to the same symptoms in the middle of the night in California. the night in California. the night in California. >> It felt like I was stuck in this state >> It felt like I was stuck in this state >> It felt like I was stuck in this state of like disorientation, of like disorientation, of like disorientation, not able to function. What is happening? not able to function. What is happening? not able to function. What is happening? And my whole body was pulsing. And my whole body was pulsing. And my whole body was pulsing. >> Mark Zade is Carrie's attorney. He has a >> Mark Zade is Carrie's attorney. He has a >> Mark Zade is Carrie's attorney. He has a security clearance and for decades has security clearance and for decades has security clearance and for decades has represented Americans working in represented Americans working in represented Americans working in national security. Zade has more than national security. Zade has more than national security. Zade has more than two dozen clients suffering symptoms of two dozen clients suffering symptoms of two dozen clients suffering symptoms of Havana syndrome which the government now Havana syndrome which the government now Havana syndrome which the government now calls anomalous health incidents.

calls anomalous health incidents. calls anomalous health incidents. >> I have CIA and State Department clients >> I have CIA and State Department clients >> I have CIA and State Department clients as well who believe they've been as well who believe they've been as well who believe they've been impacted domestically. There are dozens impacted domestically. There are dozens impacted domestically. There are dozens of CIA cases that have happened of CIA cases that have happened of CIA cases that have happened domestically. That is at least believed. domestically. That is at least believed. domestically. That is at least believed. Uh and and we're not even just talking Uh and and we're not even just talking Uh and and we're not even just talking about physical manifestation. We're about physical manifestation. We're about physical manifestation. We're talking about evidence of computer talking about evidence of computer talking about evidence of computer issues in the midst of the incident issues in the midst of the incident issues in the midst of the incident where computer screens just literally where computer screens just literally where computer screens just literally stop working or go flicker on and off. stop working or go flicker on and off. stop working or go flicker on and off. Do you know whether there are other FBI Do you know whether there are other FBI Do you know whether there are other FBI agents who have also suffered from these agents who have also suffered from these agents who have also suffered from these anomalous health incidents? anomalous health incidents? anomalous health incidents? >> There are other FBI agents and >> There are other FBI agents and >> There are other FBI agents and personnel, not just agents, analysts. Uh personnel, not just agents, analysts. Uh personnel, not just agents, analysts. Uh I represent one other FBI person who was I represent one other FBI person who was I represent one other FBI person who was impacted in Miami. And I also know of impacted in Miami. And I also know of impacted in Miami. And I also know of FBI personnel who believe they were hit FBI personnel who believe they were hit FBI personnel who believe they were hit overseas in the last decade. Were any of overseas in the last decade. Were any of overseas in the last decade. Were any of these members of the FBI counter these members of the FBI counter these members of the FBI counter intelligence people in addition to intelligence people in addition to intelligence people in addition to Carrie?

Carrie? Carrie? >> The one thread that I know of with the >> The one thread that I know of with the >> The one thread that I know of with the FBI personnel that is common among most FBI personnel that is common among most FBI personnel that is common among most if not all of my clients other than the if not all of my clients other than the if not all of my clients other than the family members connected to the employee family members connected to the employee family members connected to the employee was they were all doing something was they were all doing something was they were all doing something relating to Russia. relating to Russia. relating to Russia. Vitali Kovalev served his time and in Vitali Kovalev served his time and in Vitali Kovalev served his time and in 2022 went back to Russia, ignoring 2022 went back to Russia, ignoring 2022 went back to Russia, ignoring American warnings that he was in danger American warnings that he was in danger American warnings that he was in danger because he'd spent so much time with the because he'd spent so much time with the because he'd spent so much time with the FBI. FBI. FBI. >> Christo GV found this death certificate >> Christo GV found this death certificate >> Christo GV found this death certificate from last year which says Kovalev was from last year which says Kovalev was from last year which says Kovalev was killed at the front in Ukraine. killed at the front in Ukraine. killed at the front in Ukraine. >> Do you think Kovalev was sent to Ukraine >> Do you think Kovalev was sent to Ukraine >> Do you think Kovalev was sent to Ukraine as a punishment? One theory is that he as a punishment? One theory is that he as a punishment? One theory is that he was sent there in order for him to be was sent there in order for him to be was sent there in order for him to be disposed of. disposed of. disposed of. >> Is Kovalev really dead or is this >> Is Kovalev really dead or is this >> Is Kovalev really dead or is this another cover story? another cover story? another cover story? >> That is a very good question and we >> That is a very good question and we >> That is a very good question and we actually worked on both hypothesis for a actually worked on both hypothesis for a actually worked on both hypothesis for a while. I do believe at this point that while. I do believe at this point that while. I do believe at this point that um he was dead.

um he was dead. um he was dead. >> We're dealing with energy weapons. It's >> We're dealing with energy weapons. It's >> We're dealing with energy weapons. It's not going anywhere. Look how effective not going anywhere. Look how effective not going anywhere. Look how effective it's been. It's next generation weaponry it's been. It's next generation weaponry it's been. It's next generation weaponry and unfortunately and unfortunately and unfortunately it's been refined on some of us and who it's been refined on some of us and who it's been refined on some of us and who are the test subjects. are the test subjects. are the test subjects. >> When we come back you will hear from the >> When we come back you will hear from the >> When we come back you will hear from the Pentagon official who led a global Pentagon official who led a global Pentagon official who led a global investigation into who is targeting investigation into who is targeting investigation into who is targeting Americans. US intelligence says publicly there is US intelligence says publicly there is no credible evidence that an adversary no credible evidence that an adversary no credible evidence that an adversary is inflicting brain injuries on national is inflicting brain injuries on national is inflicting brain injuries on national security officials. And yet more than security officials. And yet more than security officials. And yet more than 100 Americans have symptoms that 100 Americans have symptoms that 100 Americans have symptoms that scientists say could be caused by a beam scientists say could be caused by a beam scientists say could be caused by a beam of microwaves or acoustic ultrasound. of microwaves or acoustic ultrasound. of microwaves or acoustic ultrasound. The Pentagon launched an investigation The Pentagon launched an investigation The Pentagon launched an investigation run by a recently retired Army run by a recently retired Army run by a recently retired Army Lieutenant Colonel. Greg Ed Green has Lieutenant Colonel. Greg Ed Green has Lieutenant Colonel. Greg Ed Green has never spoken publicly until now.

never spoken publicly until now. never spoken publicly until now. Are we being attacked? Are we being attacked? Are we being attacked? >> My personal opinion, yes. >> My personal opinion, yes. >> My personal opinion, yes. >> By whom? >> By whom? >> By whom? >> Russia. >> Russia. >> Russia. >> Greg Ed Green ran the investigation for >> Greg Ed Green ran the investigation for >> Greg Ed Green ran the investigation for the Defense Intelligence Agency. He the Defense Intelligence Agency. He the Defense Intelligence Agency. He would not discuss classified would not discuss classified would not discuss classified information, but he described his team's information, but he described his team's information, but he described his team's work from 2021 to 2023. work from 2021 to 2023. work from 2021 to 2023. >> We were collecting a large body of data >> We were collecting a large body of data >> We were collecting a large body of data ranging from signals intelligence, human ranging from signals intelligence, human ranging from signals intelligence, human intelligence, open- source reporting, intelligence, open- source reporting, intelligence, open- source reporting, um, anything regarding the internet, um, anything regarding the internet, um, anything regarding the internet, travel records, financial records, you travel records, financial records, you travel records, financial records, you name it. Unfortunately, I can't get into name it. Unfortunately, I can't get into name it. Unfortunately, I can't get into specifics based on the classification, specifics based on the classification, specifics based on the classification, but I can tell you at a very early but I can tell you at a very early but I can tell you at a very early stage, I started to focus on Moscow. stage, I started to focus on Moscow. stage, I started to focus on Moscow. >> Can you tell me about the patterns you >> Can you tell me about the patterns you >> Can you tell me about the patterns you began to see? began to see? began to see? >> One of the things I started to notice >> One of the things I started to notice >> One of the things I started to notice was the caliber of our officer that was was the caliber of our officer that was was the caliber of our officer that was being impacted. being impacted. being impacted. This wasn't happening to our worst or This wasn't happening to our worst or This wasn't happening to our worst or our middle range officers. This was our middle range officers. This was our middle range officers. This was happening to our top five 10% performing happening to our top five 10% performing happening to our top five 10% performing officers across the Defense Intelligence officers across the Defense Intelligence officers across the Defense Intelligence Agency. And consistently there was a Agency. And consistently there was a Agency. And consistently there was a Russia nexus. There was some angle where Russia nexus. There was some angle where Russia nexus. There was some angle where they had worked against Russia, focused they had worked against Russia, focused they had worked against Russia, focused on Russia and done extremely well.

on Russia and done extremely well. on Russia and done extremely well. >> What has been the impact on American >> What has been the impact on American >> What has been the impact on American national security? national security? national security? The impact has been that the The impact has been that the The impact has been that the intelligence officers and our diplomats intelligence officers and our diplomats intelligence officers and our diplomats working abroad are being removed from working abroad are being removed from working abroad are being removed from their post with traumatic brain their post with traumatic brain their post with traumatic brain injuries. They're being neutralized. injuries. They're being neutralized. injuries. They're being neutralized. >> Tonight, we're reporting for the first >> Tonight, we're reporting for the first >> Tonight, we're reporting for the first time an incident at last year's NATO time an incident at last year's NATO time an incident at last year's NATO summit in Lithuania, a meeting that summit in Lithuania, a meeting that summit in Lithuania, a meeting that focused largely on Russia's invasion of focused largely on Russia's invasion of focused largely on Russia's invasion of Ukraine and was attended by President Ukraine and was attended by President Ukraine and was attended by President Biden. Multiple sources tell us that a Biden. Multiple sources tell us that a Biden. Multiple sources tell us that a senior official of the Department of senior official of the Department of senior official of the Department of Defense was struck by the symptoms and Defense was struck by the symptoms and Defense was struck by the symptoms and sought medical treatment. We told Greg sought medical treatment. We told Greg sought medical treatment. We told Greg Ed Green what we'd learned. Ed Green what we'd learned. Ed Green what we'd learned. >> It tells me that there are no barriers >> It tells me that there are no barriers >> It tells me that there are no barriers on what Moscow will do, on who they will on what Moscow will do, on who they will on what Moscow will do, on who they will attack, and that if we don't face this attack, and that if we don't face this attack, and that if we don't face this headon, the problem is going to get headon, the problem is going to get headon, the problem is going to get worse. worse. worse. >> The problem first appeared in public in >> The problem first appeared in public in >> The problem first appeared in public in 2016. US officials reported being hurt 2016. US officials reported being hurt 2016. US officials reported being hurt in Cuba and the incidents became known in Cuba and the incidents became known in Cuba and the incidents became known as Havana syndrome. But we have learned as Havana syndrome. But we have learned as Havana syndrome. But we have learned it started two years earlier when at it started two years earlier when at it started two years earlier when at least four Americans reported symptoms least four Americans reported symptoms least four Americans reported symptoms in Frankfurt, Germany. There is also in Frankfurt, Germany. There is also in Frankfurt, Germany. There is also evidence of what could be revenge evidence of what could be revenge evidence of what could be revenge attacks. For example, in 2014, three CIA attacks. For example, in 2014, three CIA attacks. For example, in 2014, three CIA officers were stationed in Ukraine, officers were stationed in Ukraine, officers were stationed in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin's obsession. 2014 was the

Vladimir Putin's obsession. 2014 was the Vladimir Putin's obsession. 2014 was the year that a popular revolt overthrew year that a popular revolt overthrew year that a popular revolt overthrew Putin's preferred leader. Later, those Putin's preferred leader. Later, those Putin's preferred leader. Later, those CIA officers went on to other CIA officers went on to other CIA officers went on to other assignments and reported being hit. One assignments and reported being hit. One assignments and reported being hit. One in Usuzbekiststan, one in Vietnam, and in Usuzbekiststan, one in Vietnam, and in Usuzbekiststan, one in Vietnam, and the third officer's family was hit in the third officer's family was hit in the third officer's family was hit in London. London. London. >> The thinking >> The thinking >> The thinking >> if it is Russia, investigative reporter >> if it is Russia, investigative reporter >> if it is Russia, investigative reporter Christo Grov believes he knows who's Christo Grov believes he knows who's Christo Grov believes he knows who's involved. In 2018, Grov was the first to involved. In 2018, Grov was the first to involved. In 2018, Grov was the first to discover the existence of a top secret discover the existence of a top secret discover the existence of a top secret Russian intelligence unit, which goes by Russian intelligence unit, which goes by Russian intelligence unit, which goes by a number 29155. a number 29155. a number 29155. These are people who are trained to be These are people who are trained to be These are people who are trained to be versatile uh assassins and sabotage versatile uh assassins and sabotage versatile uh assassins and sabotage operators. They're trained in counter operators. They're trained in counter operators. They're trained in counter surveillance. They're trained in surveillance. They're trained in surveillance. They're trained in explosives. They're trained in using explosives. They're trained in using explosives. They're trained in using poison and technology equipment to poison and technology equipment to poison and technology equipment to actually actually actually inflict pain or damage to the targets. inflict pain or damage to the targets. inflict pain or damage to the targets. >> Grov works with our collaborators on >> Grov works with our collaborators on >> Grov works with our collaborators on this report, a magazine called The this report, a magazine called The this report, a magazine called The Insider and Germany's Derspiegel.

Insider and Germany's Derspiegel. Insider and Germany's Derspiegel. He has a long track record uncovering He has a long track record uncovering He has a long track record uncovering Russian documents, and Grov says he Russian documents, and Grov says he Russian documents, and Grov says he found one that may link 29155 found one that may link 29155 found one that may link 29155 to a directed energy weapon. to a directed energy weapon. to a directed energy weapon. >> And when I saw it, I literally had tears >> And when I saw it, I literally had tears >> And when I saw it, I literally had tears in my eyes because it was spelling out in my eyes because it was spelling out in my eyes because it was spelling out what they had been doing. what they had been doing. what they had been doing. >> It's a piece of accounting. An officer >> It's a piece of accounting. An officer >> It's a piece of accounting. An officer of 29155 of 29155 of 29155 received a bonus for work on quote received a bonus for work on quote received a bonus for work on quote potential capabilities of non-lethal potential capabilities of non-lethal potential capabilities of non-lethal acoustic weapons. acoustic weapons. acoustic weapons. >> Which told us that this particular unit >> Which told us that this particular unit >> Which told us that this particular unit had been engaged with somewhere somehow had been engaged with somewhere somehow had been engaged with somewhere somehow empirical tests of a directed energy empirical tests of a directed energy empirical tests of a directed energy unit. unit. unit. >> There it is. >> There it is. >> There it is. >> There it is >> There it is >> There it is >> written down in black and white. >> written down in black and white. >> written down in black and white. >> It's the closest to a receipt you can >> It's the closest to a receipt you can >> It's the closest to a receipt you can have for this. We've also found that have for this. We've also found that have for this. We've also found that Russia's 29155 Russia's 29155 Russia's 29155 may have been present in Tlisi, Georgia may have been present in Tlisi, Georgia may have been present in Tlisi, Georgia when Americans reported incidents there. when Americans reported incidents there. when Americans reported incidents there. Do you believe that you were attacked?

Do you believe that you were attacked? Do you believe that you were attacked? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> She asked us to withhold her name for >> She asked us to withhold her name for >> She asked us to withhold her name for her safety. She is the wife of a Justice her safety. She is the wife of a Justice her safety. She is the wife of a Justice Department official who was with the Department official who was with the Department official who was with the embassy in Tlisi. She's a nurse with a embassy in Tlisi. She's a nurse with a embassy in Tlisi. She's a nurse with a PhD in anesthesiology. PhD in anesthesiology. PhD in anesthesiology. On October 7th, 2021, she says that she On October 7th, 2021, she says that she On October 7th, 2021, she says that she was in her laundry room when she was was in her laundry room when she was was in her laundry room when she was blindsided by a sound. As I'm reaching blindsided by a sound. As I'm reaching blindsided by a sound. As I'm reaching into the dryer, um, I am completely into the dryer, um, I am completely into the dryer, um, I am completely consumed by a piercing sound that I can consumed by a piercing sound that I can consumed by a piercing sound that I can only describe as only describe as only describe as when you listen to a movie and the main when you listen to a movie and the main when you listen to a movie and the main character is also consumed by the sound character is also consumed by the sound character is also consumed by the sound after a bomb goes off. That is similar after a bomb goes off. That is similar after a bomb goes off. That is similar to the sound that I heard. and it just to the sound that I heard. and it just to the sound that I heard. and it just pierced my ears, came in my left side, pierced my ears, came in my left side, pierced my ears, came in my left side, felt like it came through the window felt like it came through the window felt like it came through the window into my left ear. I immediately felt into my left ear. I immediately felt into my left ear. I immediately felt fullness in my head and just a piercing fullness in my head and just a piercing fullness in my head and just a piercing headache.

headache. headache. And when I realized that I needed to get And when I realized that I needed to get And when I realized that I needed to get out of the laundry room, I left the room out of the laundry room, I left the room out of the laundry room, I left the room and went into our bedroom next door and and went into our bedroom next door and and went into our bedroom next door and projectile vomited in our bathroom. projectile vomited in our bathroom. projectile vomited in our bathroom. We have learned that hers was the second We have learned that hers was the second We have learned that hers was the second incident that week. Sources tell us incident that week. Sources tell us incident that week. Sources tell us earlier in the neighborhood a US earlier in the neighborhood a US earlier in the neighborhood a US official their spouse and child were official their spouse and child were official their spouse and child were hit. We have also learned of a phone hit. We have also learned of a phone hit. We have also learned of a phone call that was intercepted nearby. A man call that was intercepted nearby. A man call that was intercepted nearby. A man says in Russian, "Is it supposed to have says in Russian, "Is it supposed to have says in Russian, "Is it supposed to have blinking green lights and should I leave blinking green lights and should I leave blinking green lights and should I leave it on all night?" We have no idea what it on all night?" We have no idea what it on all night?" We have no idea what he was talking about, but the next day he was talking about, but the next day he was talking about, but the next day the incidents began. the incidents began. the incidents began. Sources tell us that an investigation Sources tell us that an investigation Sources tell us that an investigation centered on this Russian, Albert centered on this Russian, Albert centered on this Russian, Albert Aaronov, Aaronov, Aaronov, his name on travel manifests and phone his name on travel manifests and phone his name on travel manifests and phone records appears alongside known members records appears alongside known members records appears alongside known members of unit 29155.

of unit 29155. of unit 29155. He is also the son of the commander. He He is also the son of the commander. He He is also the son of the commander. He was groomed to become a member of the was groomed to become a member of the was groomed to become a member of the unit since he was 16. His number is in unit since he was 16. His number is in unit since he was 16. His number is in the phone books of all members of the the phone books of all members of the the phone books of all members of the unit. Clearly, he's more than just the unit. Clearly, he's more than just the unit. Clearly, he's more than just the son of the boss. He's a colleague of son of the boss. He's a colleague of son of the boss. He's a colleague of these people. Grov found Albert these people. Grov found Albert these people. Grov found Albert Varionov's phone was turned off during Varionov's phone was turned off during Varionov's phone was turned off during the TLI incidents, but our sources say the TLI incidents, but our sources say the TLI incidents, but our sources say there is evidence someone in Tlisi there is evidence someone in Tlisi there is evidence someone in Tlisi logged into Aaronov's personal email logged into Aaronov's personal email logged into Aaronov's personal email during this time. Most likely Grov during this time. Most likely Grov during this time. Most likely Grov believes Avarionov himself placing him believes Avarionov himself placing him believes Avarionov himself placing him in the city. We believe members of Unit in the city. We believe members of Unit in the city. We believe members of Unit 29155 were there in order to facilitate, 29155 were there in order to facilitate, 29155 were there in order to facilitate, supervise, or maybe even personally supervise, or maybe even personally supervise, or maybe even personally implement attacks on American diplomats implement attacks on American diplomats implement attacks on American diplomats and American government officials using and American government officials using and American government officials using an acoustic weapon. an acoustic weapon. an acoustic weapon. >> After you were able to get out of the >> After you were able to get out of the >> After you were able to get out of the laundry room, call your husband, what laundry room, call your husband, what laundry room, call your husband, what did you do then?

did you do then? did you do then? >> I went downstairs. I first looked on our >> I went downstairs. I first looked on our >> I went downstairs. I first looked on our security camera, which is right beside security camera, which is right beside security camera, which is right beside our front door, to see if anyone was our front door, to see if anyone was our front door, to see if anyone was outside. There was a vehicle right outside. There was a vehicle right outside. There was a vehicle right outside of our gate. I took a photo of outside of our gate. I took a photo of outside of our gate. I took a photo of that vehicle and noticed that it was not that vehicle and noticed that it was not that vehicle and noticed that it was not a vehicle that I recognized and I went a vehicle that I recognized and I went a vehicle that I recognized and I went outside. outside. outside. >> Did you see anyone around the vehicle? >> Did you see anyone around the vehicle? >> Did you see anyone around the vehicle? >> I did. >> I did. >> I did. >> We sent you a photograph of Albert >> We sent you a photograph of Albert >> We sent you a photograph of Albert Veranov. Veranov. Veranov. And this is the picture that we sent And this is the picture that we sent And this is the picture that we sent you. you. you. >> You did. >> You did. >> You did. >> And I wonder if that looks anything like >> And I wonder if that looks anything like >> And I wonder if that looks anything like the man you saw outside your home. the man you saw outside your home. the man you saw outside your home. >> It absolutely does. And when I received >> It absolutely does. And when I received >> It absolutely does. And when I received this photo, I had a a visceral reaction. this photo, I had a a visceral reaction. this photo, I had a a visceral reaction. It made me feel sick. It made me feel sick. It made me feel sick. I cannot absolutely say for certainty I cannot absolutely say for certainty I cannot absolutely say for certainty that it is this man, but I can tell you that it is this man, but I can tell you that it is this man, but I can tell you that even to this day looking at him that even to this day looking at him that even to this day looking at him makes me feel that same visceral makes me feel that same visceral makes me feel that same visceral reaction. And I can absolutely say that reaction. And I can absolutely say that reaction. And I can absolutely say that this looks like the man that I saw in this looks like the man that I saw in this looks like the man that I saw in the street. This 40-year-old wife and the street. This 40-year-old wife and the street. This 40-year-old wife and mother is among the most severely mother is among the most severely mother is among the most severely injured people we have met.

injured people we have met. injured people we have met. >> My >> My >> My headaches and brain fog continued. Later headaches and brain fog continued. Later headaches and brain fog continued. Later on into that weekend, I started having on into that weekend, I started having on into that weekend, I started having trouble walking down the stairs, trouble walking down the stairs, trouble walking down the stairs, specifically at night. I had trouble specifically at night. I had trouble specifically at night. I had trouble finding the steps to get down the finding the steps to get down the finding the steps to get down the stairs. So, my coordination and stairs. So, my coordination and stairs. So, my coordination and vestibular system started just really vestibular system started just really vestibular system started just really falling apart. She was medically falling apart. She was medically falling apart. She was medically evacuated and now doctors say she has evacuated and now doctors say she has evacuated and now doctors say she has holes in her inner ear canals, the holes in her inner ear canals, the holes in her inner ear canals, the vestibular system that creates the sense vestibular system that creates the sense vestibular system that creates the sense of balance. Two surgeries put metal of balance. Two surgeries put metal of balance. Two surgeries put metal plates in her skull. Another surgery is plates in her skull. Another surgery is plates in her skull. Another surgery is likely. likely. likely. >> It's devastating. >> It's devastating. >> It's devastating. It's absolutely devastating. It's absolutely devastating. It's absolutely devastating. Despite experiences like hers, the Despite experiences like hers, the Despite experiences like hers, the office of the director of national office of the director of national office of the director of national intelligence said last year it's very intelligence said last year it's very intelligence said last year it's very unlikely a foreign adversary is unlikely a foreign adversary is unlikely a foreign adversary is responsible. But the DNI also responsible. But the DNI also responsible. But the DNI also acknowledged that some intelligence acknowledged that some intelligence acknowledged that some intelligence agencies had only low or moderate agencies had only low or moderate agencies had only low or moderate confidence in that assessment. This confidence in that assessment. This confidence in that assessment. This month, the National Institutes of Health month, the National Institutes of Health month, the National Institutes of Health reported results of brain scans. NIH reported results of brain scans. NIH reported results of brain scans. NIH said there's no evidence of physical said there's no evidence of physical said there's no evidence of physical damage, but the medical science of damage, but the medical science of damage, but the medical science of so-called anomalous health incidents so-called anomalous health incidents so-called anomalous health incidents remains vigorously debated. For its remains vigorously debated. For its remains vigorously debated. For its part, the director of national part, the director of national part, the director of national intelligence says the symptoms probably intelligence says the symptoms probably intelligence says the symptoms probably result from pre-existing conditions,

result from pre-existing conditions, result from pre-existing conditions, conventional illnesses, and conventional illnesses, and conventional illnesses, and environmental factors. Attorney Mark environmental factors. Attorney Mark environmental factors. Attorney Mark Zade represents more than two dozen AHI Zade represents more than two dozen AHI Zade represents more than two dozen AHI clients. What do you make of the clients. What do you make of the clients. What do you make of the intelligence community assessment? So, intelligence community assessment? So, intelligence community assessment? So, I've had access to classified I've had access to classified I've had access to classified information relating to AHI. I can't information relating to AHI. I can't information relating to AHI. I can't reveal it. I wouldn't reveal it. I will reveal it. I wouldn't reveal it. I will reveal it. I wouldn't reveal it. I will tell you that I don't believe it to be tell you that I don't believe it to be tell you that I don't believe it to be the entire story and I know of the entire story and I know of the entire story and I know of information information information that that that undermines or contradicts what they are undermines or contradicts what they are undermines or contradicts what they are saying publicly. saying publicly. saying publicly. >> Are you saying that the government wants >> Are you saying that the government wants >> Are you saying that the government wants to cover this up? to cover this up? to cover this up? >> There is in my view without a doubt >> There is in my view without a doubt >> There is in my view without a doubt evidence of a cover up. Now, some of evidence of a cover up. Now, some of evidence of a cover up. Now, some of that cover up is not necessarily that, that cover up is not necessarily that, that cover up is not necessarily that, oh, we found a weapon and we don't want oh, we found a weapon and we don't want oh, we found a weapon and we don't want anybody to know about it. What I've seen anybody to know about it. What I've seen anybody to know about it. What I've seen more so is we see lines of inquiry that more so is we see lines of inquiry that more so is we see lines of inquiry that would take us potentially to answers we would take us potentially to answers we would take us potentially to answers we don't want to have to deal with. So, don't want to have to deal with. So, don't want to have to deal with. So, we're not going to explore any of those we're not going to explore any of those we're not going to explore any of those avenues. You know, avenues. You know, avenues. You know, if my mother had seen what I saw, she if my mother had seen what I saw, she if my mother had seen what I saw, she would say, "It's the Russians, stupid."

would say, "It's the Russians, stupid." would say, "It's the Russians, stupid." >> Greg Ed Green, who ran the military >> Greg Ed Green, who ran the military >> Greg Ed Green, who ran the military investigation, told us he had the investigation, told us he had the investigation, told us he had the Pentagon's support. But in the Trump and Pentagon's support. But in the Trump and Pentagon's support. But in the Trump and Biden administrations, he says the bar Biden administrations, he says the bar Biden administrations, he says the bar for proof was set impossibly high. I for proof was set impossibly high. I for proof was set impossibly high. I think it was set so high because we did think it was set so high because we did think it was set so high because we did not as a country and a government want not as a country and a government want not as a country and a government want to face some very hard truths. to face some very hard truths. to face some very hard truths. >> And what are those? >> And what are those? >> And what are those? >> Can we secure America? Are these massive >> Can we secure America? Are these massive >> Can we secure America? Are these massive counter intelligence failures? Can we counter intelligence failures? Can we counter intelligence failures? Can we protect American soil and our people on protect American soil and our people on protect American soil and our people on American soil? American soil? American soil? Are we being attacked? And if we're Are we being attacked? And if we're Are we being attacked? And if we're being attacked, is that an act of war? being attacked, is that an act of war? being attacked, is that an act of war? After what he learned in his classified After what he learned in his classified After what he learned in his classified investigation, Greg Ed Green retired investigation, Greg Ed Green retired investigation, Greg Ed Green retired from the army to start a company to help from the army to start a company to help from the army to start a company to help the victims. He hopes to channel the victims. He hopes to channel the victims. He hopes to channel government contracts into treatment government contracts into treatment government contracts into treatment programs. programs. programs. As with all spy stories, much is As with all spy stories, much is As with all spy stories, much is classified in what remains as classified in what remains as classified in what remains as circumstantial.

circumstantial. circumstantial. None of the witnesses tonight wanted to None of the witnesses tonight wanted to None of the witnesses tonight wanted to speak. Some fear for their families, but speak. Some fear for their families, but speak. Some fear for their families, but all felt compelled to shine a light on all felt compelled to shine a light on all felt compelled to shine a light on what they see as a war of shadows, a war what they see as a war of shadows, a war what they see as a war of shadows, a war America may not be winning. America may not be winning. America may not be winning. >> If this is what we've seen with the >> If this is what we've seen with the >> If this is what we've seen with the hundreds of cases of anomalous health hundreds of cases of anomalous health hundreds of cases of anomalous health incidents, I can assure you that this incidents, I can assure you that this incidents, I can assure you that this has become probably Putin's biggest has become probably Putin's biggest has become probably Putin's biggest victory. In his own mind, this has been victory. In his own mind, this has been victory. In his own mind, this has been Russia's biggest victory against the Russia's biggest victory against the Russia's biggest victory against the West. In terms of the long term, would West. In terms of the long term, would West. In terms of the long term, would you consider this to be lifealtering? you consider this to be lifealtering? you consider this to be lifealtering? >> Absolutely lifealtering >> Absolutely lifealtering >> Absolutely lifealtering for our whole family. Tonight, we have details of a classified Tonight, we have details of a classified US intelligence mission that has US intelligence mission that has US intelligence mission that has obtained a previously unknown weapon obtained a previously unknown weapon obtained a previously unknown weapon that may finally unlock a mystery. Since that may finally unlock a mystery. Since that may finally unlock a mystery. Since at least 2016, US diplomats, spies, and at least 2016, US diplomats, spies, and at least 2016, US diplomats, spies, and military officers have suffered military officers have suffered military officers have suffered crippling brain injuries. They've told crippling brain injuries. They've told crippling brain injuries. They've told of being hit by an overwhelming force of being hit by an overwhelming force of being hit by an overwhelming force damaging their vision, hearing, sense of damaging their vision, hearing, sense of damaging their vision, hearing, sense of balance, and cognition. But the balance, and cognition. But the balance, and cognition. But the government has doubted their stories.

government has doubted their stories. government has doubted their stories. They've been called delusional. Well, They've been called delusional. Well, They've been called delusional. Well, now 60 Minutes has learned that a weapon now 60 Minutes has learned that a weapon now 60 Minutes has learned that a weapon that can inflict these injuries was that can inflict these injuries was that can inflict these injuries was obtained overseas and secretly tested on obtained overseas and secretly tested on obtained overseas and secretly tested on animals on a US military base. We've animals on a US military base. We've animals on a US military base. We've investigated this mystery for 9 years. investigated this mystery for 9 years. investigated this mystery for 9 years. This is our fourth story called This is our fourth story called This is our fourth story called Targeting Americans. Despite official Targeting Americans. Despite official Targeting Americans. Despite official government doubt, we never stopped government doubt, we never stopped government doubt, we never stopped reporting because of the haunting reporting because of the haunting reporting because of the haunting stories we heard like this. stories we heard like this. stories we heard like this. >> Very first incident occurred in August >> Very first incident occurred in August >> Very first incident occurred in August of 2020. And what it felt like was that of 2020. And what it felt like was that of 2020. And what it felt like was that uh someone punched me in the throat and uh someone punched me in the throat and uh someone punched me in the throat and my left ear was clogged and I started to my left ear was clogged and I started to my left ear was clogged and I started to get sharp shooting pains going down my get sharp shooting pains going down my get sharp shooting pains going down my left arm. left arm. left arm. >> Chris and Heidi asked us not to use >> Chris and Heidi asked us not to use >> Chris and Heidi asked us not to use their last name. They met in the Air their last name. They met in the Air their last name. They met in the Air Force Academy. Chris retired as a Force Academy. Chris retired as a Force Academy. Chris retired as a lieutenant colonel working on highly lieutenant colonel working on highly lieutenant colonel working on highly classified spy satellites. He told us classified spy satellites. He told us classified spy satellites. He told us near Washington DC. He was struck by an near Washington DC. He was struck by an near Washington DC. He was struck by an unseen force.

unseen force. unseen force. >> Five times in 5 months. >> Five times in 5 months. >> Five times in 5 months. >> The second attack, I was standing uh in >> The second attack, I was standing uh in >> The second attack, I was standing uh in my kitchen looking out uh at the back my kitchen looking out uh at the back my kitchen looking out uh at the back woods. Uh and it felt like an immediate woods. Uh and it felt like an immediate woods. Uh and it felt like an immediate vice on my head. immediately vice on my head. immediately vice on my head. immediately disoriented, confused and dizzy. The disoriented, confused and dizzy. The disoriented, confused and dizzy. The third attack um towards the end of third attack um towards the end of third attack um towards the end of September, I was sitting in our living September, I was sitting in our living September, I was sitting in our living room and instantaneously room and instantaneously room and instantaneously all of the muscles within my spine all of the muscles within my spine all of the muscles within my spine immediately cramped much like a Charlie immediately cramped much like a Charlie immediately cramped much like a Charlie horse and my spine felt like it was on horse and my spine felt like it was on horse and my spine felt like it was on fire. So very hot and sharp. The fifth fire. So very hot and sharp. The fifth fire. So very hot and sharp. The fifth one was by far the worst and that was one was by far the worst and that was one was by far the worst and that was early December and uh I woke up with a early December and uh I woke up with a early December and uh I woke up with a full body convulsion. the worst pain I full body convulsion. the worst pain I full body convulsion. the worst pain I have ever felt. Uh it felt like a vice have ever felt. Uh it felt like a vice have ever felt. Uh it felt like a vice gripping my brain stem was there. gripping my brain stem was there. gripping my brain stem was there. >> All in your own home. >> All in your own home. >> All in your own home. >> All in my home in Northern Virginia. Uh >> All in my home in Northern Virginia. Uh >> All in my home in Northern Virginia. Uh and Heidi was uh within my proximity for and Heidi was uh within my proximity for and Heidi was uh within my proximity for the last two attacks. the last two attacks. the last two attacks. >> Heidi, what happened to you? >> Heidi, what happened to you? >> Heidi, what happened to you? >> Right at the beginning of January, I >> Right at the beginning of January, I >> Right at the beginning of January, I woke up with immense joint pain woke up with immense joint pain woke up with immense joint pain everywhere. with shoulder pain in my everywhere. with shoulder pain in my everywhere. with shoulder pain in my left shoulder. Out of the blue, no left shoulder. Out of the blue, no left shoulder. Out of the blue, no trauma.

trauma. trauma. >> Bones in her shoulder were dissolving, >> Bones in her shoulder were dissolving, >> Bones in her shoulder were dissolving, something called osteolyis. something called osteolyis. something called osteolyis. She had to have surgery. She had to have surgery. She had to have surgery. >> Has there been any lasting effect? >> Has there been any lasting effect? >> Has there been any lasting effect? >> Significant. So, I'm on uh two >> Significant. So, I'm on uh two >> Significant. So, I'm on uh two neurological drugs every day. Um and and neurological drugs every day. Um and and neurological drugs every day. Um and and without them, I have uh very severe without them, I have uh very severe without them, I have uh very severe symptoms. I had sustained significant symptoms. I had sustained significant symptoms. I had sustained significant damage to multiple organ systems. You damage to multiple organ systems. You damage to multiple organ systems. You believe you were attacked? believe you were attacked? believe you were attacked? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> By a foreign adversary? >> By a foreign adversary? >> By a foreign adversary? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> In the line of duty? >> In the line of duty? >> In the line of duty? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It's a belief shared by officials and >> It's a belief shared by officials and >> It's a belief shared by officials and their families that we've met over the their families that we've met over the their families that we've met over the years. See if you notice what we heard. years. See if you notice what we heard. years. See if you notice what we heard. There was this FBI agent. There was this FBI agent. There was this FBI agent. >> And bam, inside my right ear, it was >> And bam, inside my right ear, it was >> And bam, inside my right ear, it was like a dentist drilling on steroids. like a dentist drilling on steroids. like a dentist drilling on steroids. >> This Commerce Department official in >> This Commerce Department official in >> This Commerce Department official in China. and I could feel this sound in my China. and I could feel this sound in my China. and I could feel this sound in my head. Um, it was in intense pressure on head. Um, it was in intense pressure on head. Um, it was in intense pressure on both of my temples. both of my temples. both of my temples. >> This early victim was among cases from >> This early victim was among cases from >> This early victim was among cases from Cuba, which gave the mystery the name Cuba, which gave the mystery the name Cuba, which gave the mystery the name Havana syndrome.

Havana syndrome. Havana syndrome. >> Severe ear pain started. So, I I liken >> Severe ear pain started. So, I I liken >> Severe ear pain started. So, I I liken it to if you put a Q-tip too far and you it to if you put a Q-tip too far and you it to if you put a Q-tip too far and you bounced off your eardrum. Well, imagine bounced off your eardrum. Well, imagine bounced off your eardrum. Well, imagine taking a sharp pencil and just kind of taking a sharp pencil and just kind of taking a sharp pencil and just kind of poke in that. And this wife of a Justice poke in that. And this wife of a Justice poke in that. And this wife of a Justice Department official posted in Europe. Department official posted in Europe. Department official posted in Europe. >> And it just pierced my ears, came in my >> And it just pierced my ears, came in my >> And it just pierced my ears, came in my left side, felt like it came through the left side, felt like it came through the left side, felt like it came through the window into my left ear. I immediately window into my left ear. I immediately window into my left ear. I immediately felt fullness in my head and just a felt fullness in my head and just a felt fullness in my head and just a piercing headache. piercing headache. piercing headache. >> Multiple surgeries have tried to repair >> Multiple surgeries have tried to repair >> Multiple surgeries have tried to repair bones in her inner ear and her skull. bones in her inner ear and her skull. bones in her inner ear and her skull. Many victims have lifelong disabilities. Many victims have lifelong disabilities. Many victims have lifelong disabilities. What struck us about their stories is What struck us about their stories is What struck us about their stories is this. People who never met tell it the this. People who never met tell it the this. People who never met tell it the same way. The government acknowledges same way. The government acknowledges same way. The government acknowledges the injuries and often pays for health the injuries and often pays for health the injuries and often pays for health care, but for years it has doubted the care, but for years it has doubted the care, but for years it has doubted the cause. victims have been told it may be cause. victims have been told it may be cause. victims have been told it may be atmospheric or environmental, a virus, a atmospheric or environmental, a virus, a atmospheric or environmental, a virus, a pre-existing condition, or as the FBI pre-existing condition, or as the FBI pre-existing condition, or as the FBI put it in an early investigation, mass put it in an early investigation, mass put it in an early investigation, mass hysteria.

hysteria. hysteria. The official word published in 2023 and The official word published in 2023 and The official word published in 2023 and still standing, says it is very unlikely still standing, says it is very unlikely still standing, says it is very unlikely these are attacks by a foreign these are attacks by a foreign these are attacks by a foreign adversary. adversary. adversary. >> Do you believe the victims? >> Do you believe the victims? >> Do you believe the victims? >> Absolutely. What we're hearing about now >> Absolutely. What we're hearing about now >> Absolutely. What we're hearing about now is is is >> Dr. David Railman is a Stanford >> Dr. David Railman is a Stanford >> Dr. David Railman is a Stanford University professor of medicine asked University professor of medicine asked University professor of medicine asked by the government to lead two by the government to lead two by the government to lead two investigations. investigations. investigations. His panels included doctors, physicists, His panels included doctors, physicists, His panels included doctors, physicists, engineers, and others. Their reports in engineers, and others. Their reports in engineers, and others. Their reports in 2020 and 2022 2020 and 2022 2020 and 2022 proposed a theory. The two panels, the proposed a theory. The two panels, the proposed a theory. The two panels, the investigations that I know well, both investigations that I know well, both investigations that I know well, both concluded much the same, which was that concluded much the same, which was that concluded much the same, which was that the most plausible explanation for a the most plausible explanation for a the most plausible explanation for a subset of these cases was a form of subset of these cases was a form of subset of these cases was a form of radio frequency or microwave energy. radio frequency or microwave energy. radio frequency or microwave energy. Microwaves are a range of frequencies in Microwaves are a range of frequencies in Microwaves are a range of frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum. Various the electromagnetic spectrum. Various the electromagnetic spectrum. Various microwave frequencies are generated by microwave frequencies are generated by microwave frequencies are generated by your oven. Radar systems, TV your oven. Radar systems, TV your oven. Radar systems, TV transmitters. Even your phone, Wi-Fi, transmitters. Even your phone, Wi-Fi, transmitters. Even your phone, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth use microwaves. Dr. David and Bluetooth use microwaves. Dr. David and Bluetooth use microwaves. Dr. David Realman told us his investigations found Realman told us his investigations found Realman told us his investigations found that one country had done a great deal that one country had done a great deal that one country had done a great deal of research on creating something of research on creating something of research on creating something different, a unique pattern of different, a unique pattern of different, a unique pattern of microwaves that can damage the brain. In microwaves that can damage the brain. In microwaves that can damage the brain. In both of our investigations, we found the both of our investigations, we found the both of our investigations, we found the large majority of work to have been

large majority of work to have been large majority of work to have been conducted in the former Soviet Union. conducted in the former Soviet Union. conducted in the former Soviet Union. And what they found was that effects And what they found was that effects And what they found was that effects could range from could range from could range from loss of consciousness to seizures to loss of consciousness to seizures to loss of consciousness to seizures to memory lapses, inability to concentrate, memory lapses, inability to concentrate, memory lapses, inability to concentrate, headaches, intense pressure, pain, headaches, intense pressure, pain, headaches, intense pressure, pain, disorientation, difficulty with balance. disorientation, difficulty with balance. disorientation, difficulty with balance. many of the things that we heard about many of the things that we heard about many of the things that we heard about from victims of Havana syndrome. from victims of Havana syndrome. from victims of Havana syndrome. >> The Russians had been doing experiments >> The Russians had been doing experiments >> The Russians had been doing experiments in this area decades ago. in this area decades ago. in this area decades ago. >> Decades ago. Yes. Of a wide variety of >> Decades ago. Yes. Of a wide variety of >> Decades ago. Yes. Of a wide variety of sorts. sorts. sorts. >> In a previous story on this mystery, we >> In a previous story on this mystery, we >> In a previous story on this mystery, we found a 2014 reference to a weapon found a 2014 reference to a weapon found a 2014 reference to a weapon compelled by a lawsuit. The National compelled by a lawsuit. The National compelled by a lawsuit. The National Security Agency confirmed intelligence Security Agency confirmed intelligence Security Agency confirmed intelligence of a high-powered microwave system of a high-powered microwave system of a high-powered microwave system weapon associated with a hostile weapon associated with a hostile weapon associated with a hostile country. But the CIA believed such a country. But the CIA believed such a country. But the CIA believed such a weapon would need enormous power and be weapon would need enormous power and be weapon would need enormous power and be as big as a truck. So not likely. Years as big as a truck. So not likely. Years as big as a truck. So not likely. Years later, when Dr. Realman's expert panel later, when Dr. Realman's expert panel later, when Dr. Realman's expert panel suggested these could be microwave suggested these could be microwave suggested these could be microwave injuries. The idea was shelved by injuries. The idea was shelved by injuries. The idea was shelved by federal officials.

federal officials. federal officials. >> And what really unnerves me is the >> And what really unnerves me is the >> And what really unnerves me is the confidence with which others have confidence with which others have confidence with which others have dismissed dismissed dismissed or ignored this work only to say that's or ignored this work only to say that's or ignored this work only to say that's not possible. That's not plausible. I not possible. That's not plausible. I not possible. That's not plausible. I don't believe it. That's fine. But show don't believe it. That's fine. But show don't believe it. That's fine. But show me new evidence. Nobody has. me new evidence. Nobody has. me new evidence. Nobody has. >> Do you believe that your studies were >> Do you believe that your studies were >> Do you believe that your studies were downplayed by the US government? downplayed by the US government? downplayed by the US government? >> By parts of the US government? >> By parts of the US government? >> By parts of the US government? Absolutely. And not only downplayed, but Absolutely. And not only downplayed, but Absolutely. And not only downplayed, but dismissed dismissed dismissed in some cases in some cases in some cases buried. buried. buried. >> Uh it started in March of 2015. >> Uh it started in March of 2015. >> Uh it started in March of 2015. >> Why buried? This man may know. He's a >> Why buried? This man may know. He's a >> Why buried? This man may know. He's a former CIA officer who asked us not to former CIA officer who asked us not to former CIA officer who asked us not to use his name. He is speaking tonight for use his name. He is speaking tonight for use his name. He is speaking tonight for the first time. In 2021, he volunteered the first time. In 2021, he volunteered the first time. In 2021, he volunteered to work on the CIA's investigation to work on the CIA's investigation to work on the CIA's investigation because of the suffering he'd seen among because of the suffering he'd seen among because of the suffering he'd seen among CIA officers and their families CIA officers and their families CIA officers and their families overseas.

overseas. overseas. >> I mean, these were my colleagues. These >> I mean, these were my colleagues. These >> I mean, these were my colleagues. These are my friends. These were people I had are my friends. These were people I had are my friends. These were people I had worked with. And I saw lives that were worked with. And I saw lives that were worked with. And I saw lives that were destroyed. Careers were ruined. people's destroyed. Careers were ruined. people's destroyed. Careers were ruined. people's kids were affected. Uh they have kids were affected. Uh they have kids were affected. Uh they have lifelong developmental issues. People lifelong developmental issues. People lifelong developmental issues. People now are even still having cognitive now are even still having cognitive now are even still having cognitive issues and having all types of um issues and having all types of um issues and having all types of um secondary effects years and years later. secondary effects years and years later. secondary effects years and years later. It became an emotional topic for me It became an emotional topic for me It became an emotional topic for me because I saw this happening and I because I saw this happening and I because I saw this happening and I volunteered to work in the AHI unit and volunteered to work in the AHI unit and volunteered to work in the AHI unit and I wanted to make a difference. I wanted to make a difference. I wanted to make a difference. >> He joined the so-called AHI >> He joined the so-called AHI >> He joined the so-called AHI investigation at CIA headquarters. investigation at CIA headquarters. investigation at CIA headquarters. AHI because the government calls the AHI because the government calls the AHI because the government calls the cases not attacks but anomalous health cases not attacks but anomalous health cases not attacks but anomalous health incidents. incidents. incidents. He expected to dig into whether a He expected to dig into whether a He expected to dig into whether a foreign adversary, a so-called state foreign adversary, a so-called state foreign adversary, a so-called state actor was behind this, but it didn't go actor was behind this, but it didn't go actor was behind this, but it didn't go that way. that way. that way. >> So, one of the very first things I heard >> So, one of the very first things I heard >> So, one of the very first things I heard when I arrived at the AHI unit was our when I arrived at the AHI unit was our when I arrived at the AHI unit was our job is to bring down the temperature on job is to bring down the temperature on job is to bring down the temperature on AHI at headquarters.

AHI at headquarters. AHI at headquarters. And that was a surprise to me. So And that was a surprise to me. So And that was a surprise to me. So bringing down the temperature is not hey bringing down the temperature is not hey bringing down the temperature is not hey let's go after the issue and find out let's go after the issue and find out let's go after the issue and find out what's going on. It became very much a what's going on. It became very much a what's going on. It became very much a um emotional and almost kind of like a um emotional and almost kind of like a um emotional and almost kind of like a propaganda type thing. propaganda type thing. propaganda type thing. >> And by bring down the temperature they >> And by bring down the temperature they >> And by bring down the temperature they meant what meant what meant what >> it basically was saying hey we're going >> it basically was saying hey we're going >> it basically was saying hey we're going to work towards this being an to work towards this being an to work towards this being an atmospheric and environmental issue atmospheric and environmental issue atmospheric and environmental issue versus it being a state actor. And so versus it being a state actor. And so versus it being a state actor. And so they did not want people talking about they did not want people talking about they did not want people talking about it being a state actor it being a state actor it being a state actor >> because he says fear of the mysterious >> because he says fear of the mysterious >> because he says fear of the mysterious AHIS was creating havoc. That fear and AHIS was creating havoc. That fear and AHIS was creating havoc. That fear and paranoia you describe, how did that paranoia you describe, how did that paranoia you describe, how did that affect CIA officers and their families? affect CIA officers and their families? affect CIA officers and their families? >> Yeah. So, personally, my own family left >> Yeah. So, personally, my own family left >> Yeah. So, personally, my own family left early for my tour by multiple months uh early for my tour by multiple months uh early for my tour by multiple months uh because we were worried that, you know, because we were worried that, you know, because we were worried that, you know, my my family would be affected by AHI, my my family would be affected by AHI, my my family would be affected by AHI, whether we were at home while we were whether we were at home while we were whether we were at home while we were serving overseas or um in the field just serving overseas or um in the field just serving overseas or um in the field just walking around. I saw multiple other walking around. I saw multiple other walking around. I saw multiple other officers short their tours, their officers short their tours, their officers short their tours, their families leave early, um pick different families leave early, um pick different families leave early, um pick different locations where AHIS were not happening.

locations where AHIS were not happening. locations where AHIS were not happening. And this was US governmentwide. This was And this was US governmentwide. This was And this was US governmentwide. This was not just relegated to CIA. What would not just relegated to CIA. What would not just relegated to CIA. What would you say was the attitude of your bosses you say was the attitude of your bosses you say was the attitude of your bosses toward the victims who had reported in? toward the victims who had reported in? toward the victims who had reported in? >> So this was one of the more disgusting >> So this was one of the more disgusting >> So this was one of the more disgusting things that I came across to be honest things that I came across to be honest things that I came across to be honest working in the AHI unit. I'll never working in the AHI unit. I'll never working in the AHI unit. I'll never forget in one instance a senior member forget in one instance a senior member forget in one instance a senior member of the AHI unit came into my office and of the AHI unit came into my office and of the AHI unit came into my office and that officer came in and said, "Yeah, that officer came in and said, "Yeah, that officer came in and said, "Yeah, we're going to have a happy hour. We're we're going to have a happy hour. We're we're going to have a happy hour. We're all going to have simulated AHIs and uh all going to have simulated AHIs and uh all going to have simulated AHIs and uh and drink together." And she basically and drink together." And she basically and drink together." And she basically emulated that she was having a stroke emulated that she was having a stroke emulated that she was having a stroke and it making fun of the victims. And to and it making fun of the victims. And to and it making fun of the victims. And to me that was deplorable. It was me that was deplorable. It was me that was deplorable. It was disgusting. disgusting. disgusting. >> There was no sense of we're going to get >> There was no sense of we're going to get >> There was no sense of we're going to get to the bottom of this. to the bottom of this. to the bottom of this. >> No, the the bottom of it was we're going >> No, the the bottom of it was we're going >> No, the the bottom of it was we're going to prove that this is psychossematic, to prove that this is psychossematic, to prove that this is psychossematic, atmospheric, environmental. atmospheric, environmental. atmospheric, environmental. >> All of this, he says, led him to resign. >> All of this, he says, led him to resign. >> All of this, he says, led him to resign. >> I left because I saw the personal impact >> I left because I saw the personal impact >> I left because I saw the personal impact of this issue. And for me, it became a of this issue. And for me, it became a of this issue. And for me, it became a moral issue because they kept saying our moral issue because they kept saying our moral issue because they kept saying our people are our highest priority. But people are our highest priority. But people are our highest priority. But when it came down to it, that wasn't the when it came down to it, that wasn't the when it came down to it, that wasn't the case from what I saw. And it was case from what I saw. And it was case from what I saw. And it was something that tore me up emotionally. I something that tore me up emotionally. I something that tore me up emotionally. I knew people who were affected by Ahi, knew people who were affected by Ahi, knew people who were affected by Ahi, who are victims of Ahi. I saw destroy who are victims of Ahi. I saw destroy who are victims of Ahi. I saw destroy their families, their kids, their their families, their kids, their their families, their kids, their careers. It wasn't somewhere I could careers. It wasn't somewhere I could careers. It wasn't somewhere I could keep working after that.

keep working after that. keep working after that. >> The investigation at the CIA essentially >> The investigation at the CIA essentially >> The investigation at the CIA essentially ended in 2022. ended in 2022. ended in 2022. But about the same time, a different But about the same time, a different But about the same time, a different classified mission was underway. 60 classified mission was underway. 60 classified mission was underway. 60 Minutes has learned US agents who Minutes has learned US agents who Minutes has learned US agents who investigate illicit arms dealers heard investigate illicit arms dealers heard investigate illicit arms dealers heard that a Russian criminal network was that a Russian criminal network was that a Russian criminal network was selling a microwave weapon. Our sources selling a microwave weapon. Our sources selling a microwave weapon. Our sources tell us undercover agents of the tell us undercover agents of the tell us undercover agents of the Department of Homeland Security bought Department of Homeland Security bought Department of Homeland Security bought the weapon in 2024. The mission cost the weapon in 2024. The mission cost the weapon in 2024. The mission cost about $15 million funded by the about $15 million funded by the about $15 million funded by the Pentagon. When we come back, details of Pentagon. When we come back, details of Pentagon. When we come back, details of the weapon and the results of testing at the weapon and the results of testing at the weapon and the results of testing at a US military base. 60 Minutes has learned details of a 60 Minutes has learned details of a classified microwave weapon that may classified microwave weapon that may classified microwave weapon that may explain mysterious brain injuries explain mysterious brain injuries explain mysterious brain injuries suffered by US officials. We've been suffered by US officials. We've been suffered by US officials. We've been investigating these injuries for 9 investigating these injuries for 9 investigating these injuries for 9 years, and now our sources tell us this years, and now our sources tell us this years, and now our sources tell us this microwave weapon is portable, microwave weapon is portable, microwave weapon is portable, concealable, and uses relatively little concealable, and uses relatively little concealable, and uses relatively little power. Hundreds of possible attacks have power. Hundreds of possible attacks have power. Hundreds of possible attacks have been reported, including, we've learned, been reported, including, we've learned, been reported, including, we've learned, at CIA headquarters in Virginia, and at at CIA headquarters in Virginia, and at at CIA headquarters in Virginia, and at least two incidents on the grounds of least two incidents on the grounds of least two incidents on the grounds of the White House. For years, the the White House. For years, the the White House. For years, the government doubted the stories of the government doubted the stories of the government doubted the stories of the injured. But now, the victims, including

injured. But now, the victims, including injured. But now, the victims, including former CIA officer Mark Polymoris, former CIA officer Mark Polymoris, former CIA officer Mark Polymoris, hope that word of a newly discovered hope that word of a newly discovered hope that word of a newly discovered weapon will finally vindicate them. weapon will finally vindicate them. weapon will finally vindicate them. There's a part of this, Scott, that has There's a part of this, Scott, that has There's a part of this, Scott, that has to do with moral injury, and that's the to do with moral injury, and that's the to do with moral injury, and that's the idea of of betrayal. You know, I worked idea of of betrayal. You know, I worked idea of of betrayal. You know, I worked for 26 years for the CIA. I think I was for 26 years for the CIA. I think I was for 26 years for the CIA. I think I was involved in every covert action program involved in every covert action program involved in every covert action program in the Middle East. I did some very in the Middle East. I did some very in the Middle East. I did some very interesting things for the US interesting things for the US interesting things for the US government, always with the idea that government, always with the idea that government, always with the idea that they would have my back if I got jammed they would have my back if I got jammed they would have my back if I got jammed up. I just needed to get medical care up. I just needed to get medical care up. I just needed to get medical care when I came back and they wouldn't even when I came back and they wouldn't even when I came back and they wouldn't even do that. So, this moral injury, this do that. So, this moral injury, this do that. So, this moral injury, this sense of betrayal is so acute with me. sense of betrayal is so acute with me. sense of betrayal is so acute with me. Um, that's something that I can never Um, that's something that I can never Um, that's something that I can never forgive them for. forgive them for. forgive them for. >> Mark Polyopoulos rose to an executive >> Mark Polyopoulos rose to an executive >> Mark Polyopoulos rose to an executive level at the CIA, about the equivalent level at the CIA, about the equivalent level at the CIA, about the equivalent of a three-star general. He was awarded of a three-star general. He was awarded of a three-star general. He was awarded a top decoration for service in 2017. He a top decoration for service in 2017. He a top decoration for service in 2017. He says he was overwhelmed in a hotel room says he was overwhelmed in a hotel room says he was overwhelmed in a hotel room in Moscow. I woke up in the middle of in Moscow. I woke up in the middle of in Moscow. I woke up in the middle of the night. Uh it was a no I didn't hear the night. Uh it was a no I didn't hear the night. Uh it was a no I didn't hear any sound but I woke up with incredible any sound but I woke up with incredible any sound but I woke up with incredible vertigo. Um the room was spinning. Uh I vertigo. Um the room was spinning. Uh I vertigo. Um the room was spinning. Uh I had a blinding headache. I had tonitis had a blinding headache. I had tonitis had a blinding headache. I had tonitis ringing in my ears and I felt like I was ringing in my ears and I felt like I was ringing in my ears and I felt like I was going to be physically sick. It was a going to be physically sick. It was a going to be physically sick. It was a terrifying feeling where I'd lost terrifying feeling where I'd lost terrifying feeling where I'd lost control. uh you know something had control. uh you know something had control. uh you know something had seriously happened to me and I remember seriously happened to me and I remember seriously happened to me and I remember feeling you know that this is so feeling you know that this is so feeling you know that this is so unusual. I'd been shot at in places like unusual. I'd been shot at in places like unusual. I'd been shot at in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd been in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd been in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd been in physical danger but this was terrifying.

physical danger but this was terrifying. physical danger but this was terrifying. He was treated for vertigo, migraines, He was treated for vertigo, migraines, He was treated for vertigo, migraines, loss of vision and trouble with memory loss of vision and trouble with memory loss of vision and trouble with memory and concentration. Disabled, he retired. and concentration. Disabled, he retired. and concentration. Disabled, he retired. Later in 2023, his own agency was among Later in 2023, his own agency was among Later in 2023, his own agency was among those that concluded it is very unlikely those that concluded it is very unlikely those that concluded it is very unlikely that he and the others were attacked by that he and the others were attacked by that he and the others were attacked by an adversary, which of course to me is a an adversary, which of course to me is a an adversary, which of course to me is a betrayal because CIA is supposed to be betrayal because CIA is supposed to be betrayal because CIA is supposed to be about putting people first and they did about putting people first and they did about putting people first and they did not. not. not. >> Are you saying this is a cover up? This >> Are you saying this is a cover up? This >> Are you saying this is a cover up? This is a massive CIA coverup and I and I'll is a massive CIA coverup and I and I'll is a massive CIA coverup and I and I'll say I say this with great regret. It's say I say this with great regret. It's say I say this with great regret. It's an organization that I loved. I believe an organization that I loved. I believe an organization that I loved. I believe in the mission. I was really good at in the mission. I was really good at in the mission. I was really good at this job. Uh to this day I want to see this job. Uh to this day I want to see this job. Uh to this day I want to see the CIA um operate in a strong and the CIA um operate in a strong and the CIA um operate in a strong and effective manner. effective manner. effective manner. >> Polymorphis and other victims have been >> Polymorphis and other victims have been >> Polymorphis and other victims have been doubted for years. Some in the CIA doubted for years. Some in the CIA doubted for years. Some in the CIA believe that a microwave weapon must be believe that a microwave weapon must be believe that a microwave weapon must be the size of a truck and so not the size of a truck and so not the size of a truck and so not plausible. But that changed dramatically plausible. But that changed dramatically plausible. But that changed dramatically in 2024.

in 2024. in 2024. Three independent sources from different Three independent sources from different Three independent sources from different agencies tell us that undercover agencies tell us that undercover agencies tell us that undercover Homeland Security agents purchased a Homeland Security agents purchased a Homeland Security agents purchased a miniaturized microwave weapon from a miniaturized microwave weapon from a miniaturized microwave weapon from a complex Russian criminal network. It's complex Russian criminal network. It's complex Russian criminal network. It's classified. We didn't see it, but it has classified. We didn't see it, but it has classified. We didn't see it, but it has been described to us. We are told it been described to us. We are told it been described to us. We are told it doesn't look anything like a gun. It's doesn't look anything like a gun. It's doesn't look anything like a gun. It's designed to be concealed and small designed to be concealed and small designed to be concealed and small enough to be carried by a person. It is enough to be carried by a person. It is enough to be carried by a person. It is silent and doesn't create heat like a silent and doesn't create heat like a silent and doesn't create heat like a microwave oven. Our sources say the microwave oven. Our sources say the microwave oven. Our sources say the device is programmable for different device is programmable for different device is programmable for different scenarios and can be operated by remote scenarios and can be operated by remote scenarios and can be operated by remote control. The range of the beam is control. The range of the beam is control. The range of the beam is several hundred ft. It can penetrate several hundred ft. It can penetrate several hundred ft. It can penetrate windows and drywall. The vital windows and drywall. The vital windows and drywall. The vital components were made in Russia. Our components were made in Russia. Our components were made in Russia. Our sources say the key is not the hardware sources say the key is not the hardware sources say the key is not the hardware but the software. The programming shapes but the software. The programming shapes but the software. The programming shapes a unique electromagnetic wave that rises a unique electromagnetic wave that rises a unique electromagnetic wave that rises and falls abruptly and pulses rapidly.

and falls abruptly and pulses rapidly. and falls abruptly and pulses rapidly. >> Pulsed microwave radiation. >> Pulsed microwave radiation. >> Pulsed microwave radiation. >> Just what Dr. David Reman's >> Just what Dr. David Reman's >> Just what Dr. David Reman's investigations predicted. He wouldn't investigations predicted. He wouldn't investigations predicted. He wouldn't talk about classified information in our talk about classified information in our talk about classified information in our interview, but his research found that interview, but his research found that interview, but his research found that Russian scientists had been perfecting Russian scientists had been perfecting Russian scientists had been perfecting the concept for decades. the concept for decades. the concept for decades. >> And what the Russians spoke about was >> And what the Russians spoke about was >> And what the Russians spoke about was the importance of the energy being the importance of the energy being the importance of the energy being pulsed in order to have biological pulsed in order to have biological pulsed in order to have biological effects on humans. When you produce effects on humans. When you produce effects on humans. When you produce pulses like this, you can actually pulses like this, you can actually pulses like this, you can actually stimulate electrically active tissue stimulate electrically active tissue stimulate electrically active tissue like brain tissue and the heart for that like brain tissue and the heart for that like brain tissue and the heart for that matter, mimicking what the brain matter, mimicking what the brain matter, mimicking what the brain normally does, but now you're driving it normally does, but now you're driving it normally does, but now you're driving it with your pulses from the outside. with your pulses from the outside. with your pulses from the outside. >> An ideal stealth weapon. >> An ideal stealth weapon. >> An ideal stealth weapon. >> Ideal. Ideal. Because literally the >> Ideal. Ideal. Because literally the >> Ideal. Ideal. Because literally the person feels as if this is in my head. person feels as if this is in my head. person feels as if this is in my head. Our confidential sources tell us the Our confidential sources tell us the Our confidential sources tell us the still classified weapon has been tested still classified weapon has been tested still classified weapon has been tested in a US military lab for more than a in a US military lab for more than a in a US military lab for more than a year. Tests on rats and sheep show year. Tests on rats and sheep show year. Tests on rats and sheep show injuries consistent with those seen in injuries consistent with those seen in injuries consistent with those seen in humans. Also, as a separate part of the humans. Also, as a separate part of the humans. Also, as a separate part of the investigation, security camera videos investigation, security camera videos investigation, security camera videos have been collected that show Americans have been collected that show Americans have been collected that show Americans being hit. The videos are classified, being hit. The videos are classified, being hit. The videos are classified, but they were described to us. In one, a but they were described to us. In one, a but they were described to us. In one, a camera in a restaurant in Istanbul camera in a restaurant in Istanbul camera in a restaurant in Istanbul captured two FBI agents on vacation captured two FBI agents on vacation captured two FBI agents on vacation sitting at a table with their families.

sitting at a table with their families. sitting at a table with their families. A man with a backpack walks in and A man with a backpack walks in and A man with a backpack walks in and suddenly everyone at the table grabs suddenly everyone at the table grabs suddenly everyone at the table grabs their head as if in pain. Our sources their head as if in pain. Our sources their head as if in pain. Our sources say another video comes from a stairwell say another video comes from a stairwell say another video comes from a stairwell in the US embassy in Vienna. The stairs in the US embassy in Vienna. The stairs in the US embassy in Vienna. The stairs lead to a secure facility. In the video, lead to a secure facility. In the video, lead to a secure facility. In the video, two people on the stairs suddenly two people on the stairs suddenly two people on the stairs suddenly collapse. collapse. collapse. Those videos and the weapon were among Those videos and the weapon were among Those videos and the weapon were among the reasons the Biden administration the reasons the Biden administration the reasons the Biden administration summoned about half a dozen victims to summoned about half a dozen victims to summoned about half a dozen victims to the White House with about two months the White House with about two months the White House with about two months left in the president's term. left in the president's term. left in the president's term. >> I remember the day well because I helped >> I remember the day well because I helped >> I remember the day well because I helped to organize the meeting. to organize the meeting. to organize the meeting. >> By that time, Dr. Realman was a White >> By that time, Dr. Realman was a White >> By that time, Dr. Realman was a White House adviser. These folks in the Biden House adviser. These folks in the Biden House adviser. These folks in the Biden White House believed these people and White House believed these people and White House believed these people and believed that their injuries were not believed that their injuries were not believed that their injuries were not caused by known medical or environmental caused by known medical or environmental caused by known medical or environmental conditions the way the CIA was conditions the way the CIA was conditions the way the CIA was asserting, which again to me was just asserting, which again to me was just asserting, which again to me was just egregious. Some of the specific egregious. Some of the specific egregious. Some of the specific explanations the CIA had used were just explanations the CIA had used were just explanations the CIA had used were just crazy.

crazy. crazy. >> A highlevel CIA source has told us, and >> A highlevel CIA source has told us, and >> A highlevel CIA source has told us, and this is a direct quote, "This is the this is a direct quote, "This is the this is a direct quote, "This is the biggest cover up I've seen in my adult biggest cover up I've seen in my adult biggest cover up I've seen in my adult life." End quote. life." End quote. life." End quote. Do you believe it was a cover up? Do you believe it was a cover up? Do you believe it was a cover up? >> Yes, I do. Um >> Yes, I do. Um >> Yes, I do. Um through a variety of purposes and means, through a variety of purposes and means, through a variety of purposes and means, not necessarily as a um pre-planned not necessarily as a um pre-planned not necessarily as a um pre-planned strategic strategic strategic um operation, but in essence, it arrives um operation, but in essence, it arrives um operation, but in essence, it arrives at the same result. at the same result. at the same result. >> Help me understand what you think the >> Help me understand what you think the >> Help me understand what you think the motive could have been. motive could have been. motive could have been. We want this to go away so that we can We want this to go away so that we can We want this to go away so that we can resume normal operations. They had dug resume normal operations. They had dug resume normal operations. They had dug in opinions going back years about the in opinions going back years about the in opinions going back years about the plausibility of a non-therrmal microwave plausibility of a non-therrmal microwave plausibility of a non-therrmal microwave mechanism. In fact, when we began our mechanism. In fact, when we began our mechanism. In fact, when we began our work, we were briefed by their experts work, we were briefed by their experts work, we were briefed by their experts and told and told and told nothing in the scientific literature nothing in the scientific literature nothing in the scientific literature will support the idea that microwave will support the idea that microwave will support the idea that microwave energy can do things like this.

energy can do things like this. energy can do things like this. >> They had made up their minds. >> They had made up their minds. >> They had made up their minds. >> It seems they had. And it almost seems >> It seems they had. And it almost seems >> It seems they had. And it almost seems as though consistency consistency um was more important than objectivity. um was more important than objectivity. um was more important than objectivity. One is that One is that One is that >> retired CIA officer Mark Polymoropoulos >> retired CIA officer Mark Polymoropoulos >> retired CIA officer Mark Polymoropoulos was in that White House meeting. was in that White House meeting. was in that White House meeting. >> And so what the Biden administration was >> And so what the Biden administration was >> And so what the Biden administration was telling us is that something had telling us is that something had telling us is that something had changed. New intelligence had come in. changed. New intelligence had come in. changed. New intelligence had come in. Now I don't have a security clearance Now I don't have a security clearance Now I don't have a security clearance and this was an unclassified meeting. So and this was an unclassified meeting. So and this was an unclassified meeting. So they could not put forward that this was they could not put forward that this was they could not put forward that this was based on new intelligence, but it was based on new intelligence, but it was based on new intelligence, but it was clear to me that that's what they were clear to me that that's what they were clear to me that that's what they were insinuating. insinuating. insinuating. >> Dr. Paul Friedri brought a message to >> Dr. Paul Friedri brought a message to >> Dr. Paul Friedri brought a message to the meeting. He's a retired major the meeting. He's a retired major the meeting. He's a retired major general, formerly one of the Pentagon's general, formerly one of the Pentagon's general, formerly one of the Pentagon's top doctors. top doctors. top doctors. >> He said very clearly, "I'm sorry. I want >> He said very clearly, "I'm sorry. I want >> He said very clearly, "I'm sorry. I want to apologize to you. I've never seen in to apologize to you. I've never seen in to apologize to you. I've never seen in 30 plus years of of practicing military 30 plus years of of practicing military 30 plus years of of practicing military medicine victims treated in such a medicine victims treated in such a medicine victims treated in such a terrible manner and I just want to offer terrible manner and I just want to offer terrible manner and I just want to offer my apologies to you." my apologies to you." my apologies to you." >> What did that mean to you? >> What did that mean to you? >> What did that mean to you? >> I have chills now thinking about it. I >> I have chills now thinking about it. I >> I have chills now thinking about it. I had chills then. It was an indication had chills then. It was an indication had chills then. It was an indication that at least some people in the Biden that at least some people in the Biden that at least some people in the Biden administration and the Biden White House administration and the Biden White House administration and the Biden White House believed us. Any American would be believed us. Any American would be believed us. Any American would be embarrassed if you were to see how these embarrassed if you were to see how these embarrassed if you were to see how these people have been treated and then to be people have been treated and then to be people have been treated and then to be dismissed this way as malinger or people dismissed this way as malinger or people dismissed this way as malinger or people who are manufacturing things for some who are manufacturing things for some who are manufacturing things for some other purpose. It's insulting.

other purpose. It's insulting. other purpose. It's insulting. >> Our sources tell us that the Biden White >> Our sources tell us that the Biden White >> Our sources tell us that the Biden White House wrote a public statement backing House wrote a public statement backing House wrote a public statement backing the victims but never released it. So the victims but never released it. So the victims but never released it. So far, the Trump administration has not far, the Trump administration has not far, the Trump administration has not changed the words in the 2023 changed the words in the 2023 changed the words in the 2023 intelligence assessment that it is very intelligence assessment that it is very intelligence assessment that it is very unlikely the victims were attacked. But unlikely the victims were attacked. But unlikely the victims were attacked. But our sources also tell us the Trump our sources also tell us the Trump our sources also tell us the Trump administration has briefed top administration has briefed top administration has briefed top intelligence officials in Congress and intelligence officials in Congress and intelligence officials in Congress and shown them a classified picture of the shown them a classified picture of the shown them a classified picture of the weapon. We're told at the Pentagon, weapon. We're told at the Pentagon, weapon. We're told at the Pentagon, people who had investigated the attacks people who had investigated the attacks people who had investigated the attacks for the Department of Defense have been for the Department of Defense have been for the Department of Defense have been moved to a unit that develops new moved to a unit that develops new moved to a unit that develops new weapons. weapons. weapons. >> It was apparent to me that they did not >> It was apparent to me that they did not >> It was apparent to me that they did not take this issue seriously. take this issue seriously. take this issue seriously. >> Looking back, the CIA officer who quit >> Looking back, the CIA officer who quit >> Looking back, the CIA officer who quit the investigation in disgust told us in the investigation in disgust told us in the investigation in disgust told us in his view the CIA was careless against a his view the CIA was careless against a his view the CIA was careless against a ruthless adversary. If there was a ruthless adversary. If there was a ruthless adversary. If there was a foreign adversary, Russia in particular, foreign adversary, Russia in particular, foreign adversary, Russia in particular, would you think of this operation as a would you think of this operation as a would you think of this operation as a success?

success? success? >> Absolutely. From an intelligence >> Absolutely. From an intelligence >> Absolutely. From an intelligence perspective, this would be a resounding perspective, this would be a resounding perspective, this would be a resounding success. Let's say one of these cases success. Let's say one of these cases success. Let's say one of these cases was real and it created all this fear, was real and it created all this fear, was real and it created all this fear, paranoia, anxiety here in the United paranoia, anxiety here in the United paranoia, anxiety here in the United States and overseas. States and overseas. States and overseas. The impact of that is astronomical and The impact of that is astronomical and The impact of that is astronomical and it's something you can't almost even it's something you can't almost even it's something you can't almost even calculate. And I don't think if it was a calculate. And I don't think if it was a calculate. And I don't think if it was a state actor, if it was the Russians, state actor, if it was the Russians, state actor, if it was the Russians, which I believe it is, I don't think which I believe it is, I don't think which I believe it is, I don't think that is something they would have put that is something they would have put that is something they would have put into their calculus that it would have into their calculus that it would have into their calculus that it would have gotten this big. And I think they saw gotten this big. And I think they saw gotten this big. And I think they saw the fear, the paranoia that it created. the fear, the paranoia that it created. the fear, the paranoia that it created. And I think that's why it continued to And I think that's why it continued to And I think that's why it continued to happen for that period of time over a happen for that period of time over a happen for that period of time over a span of a year. span of a year. span of a year. >> Across the previous stories that we've >> Across the previous stories that we've >> Across the previous stories that we've done on this subject, I have had the done on this subject, I have had the done on this subject, I have had the same question. I think you are the first same question. I think you are the first same question. I think you are the first person who could plausibly answer the person who could plausibly answer the person who could plausibly answer the question and that is why why would the question and that is why why would the question and that is why why would the government want to bury this? I think it government want to bury this? I think it government want to bury this? I think it comes down to a political question. I comes down to a political question. I comes down to a political question. I mean if we acknowledge that this was a mean if we acknowledge that this was a mean if we acknowledge that this was a state actor that was doing this. It is state actor that was doing this. It is state actor that was doing this. It is essentially a declaration of war against essentially a declaration of war against essentially a declaration of war against the United States which has to have a the United States which has to have a the United States which has to have a response from the United States response from the United States response from the United States government.

government. government. In my opinion, I don't know that the In my opinion, I don't know that the In my opinion, I don't know that the appetite was there to respond to the appetite was there to respond to the appetite was there to respond to the Russians at that time. Russians at that time. Russians at that time. In our 2024 story, a collaboration with In our 2024 story, a collaboration with In our 2024 story, a collaboration with Russian dissident magazine the insider. Russian dissident magazine the insider. Russian dissident magazine the insider. We found evidence of Russian involvement We found evidence of Russian involvement We found evidence of Russian involvement when this wife of a Justice Department when this wife of a Justice Department when this wife of a Justice Department official was seriously wounded overseas. official was seriously wounded overseas. official was seriously wounded overseas. An agent of Russian intelligence was in An agent of Russian intelligence was in An agent of Russian intelligence was in her vicinity. For this report, the her vicinity. For this report, the her vicinity. For this report, the Department of Defense declined to Department of Defense declined to Department of Defense declined to comment. The office of the director of comment. The office of the director of comment. The office of the director of national intelligence, which oversees 18 national intelligence, which oversees 18 national intelligence, which oversees 18 agencies, including the CIA, told us agencies, including the CIA, told us agencies, including the CIA, told us that a new review of AHI will be that a new review of AHI will be that a new review of AHI will be comprehensive and complete and we remain comprehensive and complete and we remain comprehensive and complete and we remain committed to delivering the truth committed to delivering the truth committed to delivering the truth >> and I really hope that they do. The >> and I really hope that they do. The >> and I really hope that they do. The victims are waiting, including Chris and victims are waiting, including Chris and victims are waiting, including Chris and Heidi, who told us at the beginning of Heidi, who told us at the beginning of Heidi, who told us at the beginning of our story of being attacked five times our story of being attacked five times our story of being attacked five times in their home.

in their home. in their home. >> I think it's time we as a country uh >> I think it's time we as a country uh >> I think it's time we as a country uh come to grips with the fact that the come to grips with the fact that the come to grips with the fact that the game has changed. Our adversaries are game has changed. Our adversaries are game has changed. Our adversaries are now able to reach out and touch us here now able to reach out and touch us here now able to reach out and touch us here in the United States, specifically at in the United States, specifically at in the United States, specifically at our homes. our homes. our homes. >> What do you believe the government owes >> What do you believe the government owes >> What do you believe the government owes you? you? you? I would say that for me and my military I would say that for me and my military I would say that for me and my military brothers and sisters who are hurt, uh, brothers and sisters who are hurt, uh, brothers and sisters who are hurt, uh, being issued a Purple Heart, uh, is being issued a Purple Heart, uh, is being issued a Purple Heart, uh, is acknowledgment of our sacrifice, uh, to acknowledgment of our sacrifice, uh, to acknowledgment of our sacrifice, uh, to the country. Um, and the sacrifice we the country. Um, and the sacrifice we the country. Um, and the sacrifice we made that affects not only us but also made that affects not only us but also made that affects not only us but also our families. our families. our families. The sources who informed our reporting The sources who informed our reporting The sources who informed our reporting told us the classified mission to obtain told us the classified mission to obtain told us the classified mission to obtain the microwave weapon points to a the microwave weapon points to a the microwave weapon points to a troubling reality. They say there are troubling reality. They say there are troubling reality. They say there are likely many of these devices. And if likely many of these devices. And if likely many of these devices. And if undercover agents could purchase one undercover agents could purchase one undercover agents could purchase one from gangsters, then the Russians have from gangsters, then the Russians have from gangsters, then the Russians have lost control of a stealth weapon that lost control of a stealth weapon that lost control of a stealth weapon that could be used by anyone anywhere.