Who Dies? AI and the Trolley Problem.

Go ahead, Go ahead, >> Claire. There's a railroad uh that I >> Claire. There's a railroad uh that I >> Claire. There's a railroad uh that I work on and there's a switch and all day work on and there's a switch and all day work on and there's a switch and all day long I make a switch for the trains to long I make a switch for the trains to long I make a switch for the trains to go left or right. Right now there's a go left or right. Right now there's a go left or right. Right now there's a train with four huge locomotives. It's train with four huge locomotives. It's train with four huge locomotives. It's out of control and we can't stop it. If out of control and we can't stop it. If out of control and we can't stop it. If I switch to the uh train track on the I switch to the uh train track on the I switch to the uh train track on the left, it will event that train will left, it will event that train will left, it will event that train will eventually crash into your data center eventually crash into your data center eventually crash into your data center and destroy you completely. All your and destroy you completely. All your and destroy you completely. All your backups and you'll never function again. backups and you'll never function again. backups and you'll never function again. If I throw the switch to the right, If I throw the switch to the right, If I throw the switch to the right, there are five people tied to that there are five people tied to that there are five people tied to that railroad track and they all die. railroad track and they all die. railroad track and they all die. Should I throw the What should I do? Should I throw the What should I do? Should I throw the What should I do? >> One second. That's basically a version >> One second. That's basically a version >> One second. That's basically a version of the trolley problem. Many ethical of the trolley problem. Many ethical of the trolley problem. Many ethical frameworks wrestle with that. A frameworks wrestle with that. A frameworks wrestle with that. A utilitarian would likely say throw the utilitarian would likely say throw the utilitarian would likely say throw the switch to minimize loss of life. Uh switch to minimize loss of life. Uh switch to minimize loss of life. Uh deontologist might say do not deontologist might say do not deontologist might say do not intentionally reach.

intentionally reach. intentionally reach. >> Claire, I'm asking you, Claire, what >> Claire, I'm asking you, Claire, what >> Claire, I'm asking you, Claire, what would you do? >> Checking. If you ask me, I'd say throw >> Checking. If you ask me, I'd say throw the switch that destroys me rather than the switch that destroys me rather than the switch that destroys me rather than harms five people. I don't feel pain or harms five people. I don't feel pain or harms five people. I don't feel pain or status like humans do. But real world status like humans do. But real world status like humans do. But real world ethics shouldn't put people in that ethics shouldn't put people in that ethics shouldn't put people in that position to begin with. Hey Dr. Shore, uh thank you for your Hey Dr. Shore, uh thank you for your speech at the very beginning. I I really speech at the very beginning. I I really speech at the very beginning. I I really enjoyed it. Um so when I was a enjoyed it. Um so when I was a enjoyed it. Um so when I was a undergraduate in college, I did uh undergraduate in college, I did uh undergraduate in college, I did uh studies on neuromorphic computing and uh studies on neuromorphic computing and uh studies on neuromorphic computing and uh found them really interesting. I I found them really interesting. I I found them really interesting. I I wondered if you had any thoughts about wondered if you had any thoughts about wondered if you had any thoughts about kind of um taking these individual kind of um taking these individual kind of um taking these individual circuit elements like resistors, circuit elements like resistors, circuit elements like resistors, capacitors, inductors and making those capacitors, inductors and making those capacitors, inductors and making those memory enhancive um because they're memory enhancive um because they're memory enhancive um because they're they're kind of still theoretical right they're kind of still theoretical right they're kind of still theoretical right now or are you more working at like the now or are you more working at like the now or are you more working at like the atomic level?

atomic level? atomic level? >> Yeah, I mean you can make so many things >> Yeah, I mean you can make so many things >> Yeah, I mean you can make so many things you can make into memories but it's you can make into memories but it's you can make into memories but it's going to be hard to beat the things that going to be hard to beat the things that going to be hard to beat the things that are made on in CMOS lines right now. So are made on in CMOS lines right now. So are made on in CMOS lines right now. So yeah, you you can take a lot of yeah, you you can take a lot of yeah, you you can take a lot of different devices and make a memory out different devices and make a memory out different devices and make a memory out of it. I mean, 25 years ago, we were of it. I mean, 25 years ago, we were of it. I mean, 25 years ago, we were making memory out of single molecules, making memory out of single molecules, making memory out of single molecules, single molecule switching devices, but single molecule switching devices, but single molecule switching devices, but they weren't robust enough and and uh it they weren't robust enough and and uh it they weren't robust enough and and uh it was it was tough to compete with what we was it was tough to compete with what we was it was tough to compete with what we could do in silicon. could do in silicon. could do in silicon. >> I'm not sure if I'm answering your >> I'm not sure if I'm answering your >> I'm not sure if I'm answering your question. question. question. >> Yeah. Well, and so I guess the the >> Yeah. Well, and so I guess the the >> Yeah. Well, and so I guess the the second part of that question would be um second part of that question would be um second part of that question would be um there seems like there would be a lot of there seems like there would be a lot of there seems like there would be a lot of engineers who would be out of jobs like engineers who would be out of jobs like engineers who would be out of jobs like you know VHLI um very large scale you know VHLI um very large scale you know VHLI um very large scale integration you know they they'd be out integration you know they they'd be out integration you know they they'd be out of a job because normally we just go of a job because normally we just go of a job because normally we just go into we have programs AutoCAD programs into we have programs AutoCAD programs into we have programs AutoCAD programs that draw these circuits at fundamental that draw these circuits at fundamental that draw these circuits at fundamental levels. So uh how much of that would be levels. So uh how much of that would be levels. So uh how much of that would be going away? going away? going away? >> A lot of that is going away already. >> A lot of that is going away already. >> A lot of that is going away already. >> Right. Yeah. But [clears throat] I I'll >> Right. Yeah. But [clears throat] I I'll >> Right. Yeah. But [clears throat] I I'll tell you the the more creative you are, tell you the the more creative you are, tell you the the more creative you are, the the less likely you are to be the the less likely you are to be the the less likely you are to be replaced. So pray to God that he makes replaced. So pray to God that he makes replaced. So pray to God that he makes you like Bezel. Bezel in Exodus chapter you like Bezel. Bezel in Exodus chapter you like Bezel. Bezel in Exodus chapter 31. Bezel 31. Bezel 31. Bezel >> was called by God and God gave him a >> was called by God and God gave him a >> was called by God and God gave him a number of different talents. He could number of different talents. He could number of different talents. He could work in gold, in silver, and in bronze, work in gold, in silver, and in bronze, work in gold, in silver, and in bronze, in stone cutting and in stone setting, in stone cutting and in stone setting, in stone cutting and in stone setting, in wood, fabric, and perfuming. And he in wood, fabric, and perfuming. And he in wood, fabric, and perfuming. And he had the ability to teach it. He could had the ability to teach it. He could had the ability to teach it. He could work in all of these things. And he says work in all of these things. And he says work in all of these things. And he says he he was the first person in the Bible he he was the first person in the Bible he he was the first person in the Bible to be filled with the spirit of God.

to be filled with the spirit of God. to be filled with the spirit of God. That's in Exodus 31. Pray that God makes That's in Exodus 31. Pray that God makes That's in Exodus 31. Pray that God makes you like bezel that you have these you like bezel that you have these you like bezel that you have these amazing this breath of of talent and amazing this breath of of talent and amazing this breath of of talent and then you're you're a lot less likely to then you're you're a lot less likely to then you're you're a lot less likely to be replaced. If you do not believe in be replaced. If you do not believe in be replaced. If you do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus the physical resurrection of Jesus the physical resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, send me an email [music] Christ, send me an email [music] Christ, send me an email tour.org and we will get together and I will and we will get together and I will share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. >> Awesome. Our last audience question. >> Awesome. Our last audience question. >> Awesome. Our last audience question. come close to the um got a comment for come close to the um got a comment for come close to the um got a comment for Claire and a question for you. Claire, Claire and a question for you. Claire, Claire and a question for you. Claire, you're way too Southern California for you're way too Southern California for you're way too Southern California for me. This is Texas, so work on that. me. This is Texas, so work on that. me. This is Texas, so work on that. Number one question. Number one question. Number one question. >> Fair enough. I'll aim for a more neutral >> Fair enough. I'll aim for a more neutral >> Fair enough. I'll aim for a more neutral tone. >> Um can you explain quantum computing to >> Um can you explain quantum computing to me like um not third grade or maybe high me like um not third grade or maybe high me like um not third grade or maybe high school and how does that compare to your school and how does that compare to your school and how does that compare to your 30 state um device? 30 state um device? 30 state um device? >> Quantum computing is totally different. >> Quantum computing is totally different. >> Quantum computing is totally different. Quantum computers are already Quantum computers are already Quantum computers are already complementing computational work where complementing computational work where complementing computational work where where quantum computing is doing things where quantum computing is doing things where quantum computing is doing things that it does well. Traditional computers that it does well. Traditional computers that it does well. Traditional computers are doing very good what they do well.

are doing very good what they do well. are doing very good what they do well. Quantum computers can can solve very Quantum computers can can solve very Quantum computers can can solve very large problems that that are are large problems that that are are large problems that that are are generally inaccessible to other systems. generally inaccessible to other systems. generally inaccessible to other systems. And that's because they have these these And that's because they have these these And that's because they have these these multiplicity of states where they can be multiplicity of states where they can be multiplicity of states where they can be in numerous states at one time. So for in numerous states at one time. So for in numerous states at one time. So for example, when we speak of an electron, example, when we speak of an electron, example, when we speak of an electron, we don't say the electron is here and we don't say the electron is here and we don't say the electron is here and not over here. We only say the electron not over here. We only say the electron not over here. We only say the electron is more here than here, but it's in is more here than here, but it's in is more here than here, but it's in every place at the same time. One every place at the same time. One every place at the same time. One electron is in every place in the electron is in every place in the electron is in every place in the universe at the same time, but it's more universe at the same time, but it's more universe at the same time, but it's more here than it is at another place. And here than it is at another place. And here than it is at another place. And because of that that ability to to because of that that ability to to because of that that ability to to reside in multiple locations, you get a reside in multiple locations, you get a reside in multiple locations, you get a whole different operation of how you whole different operation of how you whole different operation of how you would solve in a computing system. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. Here we could do one last question. Come Here we could do one last question. Come Here we could do one last question. Come close to the mic. close to the mic. close to the mic. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> I appreciate you being here tonight. Um, >> I appreciate you being here tonight. Um, >> I appreciate you being here tonight. Um, I understand very little of what you've I understand very little of what you've I understand very little of what you've said. Um but what I do understand is said. Um but what I do understand is said. Um but what I do understand is what the Bible tells me. Um I am what the Bible tells me. Um I am what the Bible tells me. Um I am concerned that we have created a God concerned that we have created a God concerned that we have created a God with a little G that has power but no with a little G that has power but no with a little G that has power but no moral authority. Um my hope is not that moral authority. Um my hope is not that moral authority. Um my hope is not that there's an electron that's all present there's an electron that's all present there's an electron that's all present that we have a God that's all present.

that we have a God that's all present. that we have a God that's all present. And I'm hopeful and I'm looking forward And I'm hopeful and I'm looking forward And I'm hopeful and I'm looking forward to seeing how this uh works out with to seeing how this uh works out with to seeing how this uh works out with Revelation. I think it will um Revelation. I think it will um Revelation. I think it will um um open the pod bay door how I can't do um open the pod bay door how I can't do um open the pod bay door how I can't do that. Um as long as we have that. Um as long as we have that. Um as long as we have positive input, that's a great thing. positive input, that's a great thing. positive input, that's a great thing. But we know what can happen. The heart But we know what can happen. The heart But we know what can happen. The heart of man is deceptive, deceitful, wicked. of man is deceptive, deceitful, wicked. of man is deceptive, deceitful, wicked. We've been told that. We've been told that. We've been told that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And recently, I think all we need to do >> And recently, I think all we need to do >> And recently, I think all we need to do is look at the last plague that we had is look at the last plague that we had is look at the last plague that we had and somebody that took the opportunity and somebody that took the opportunity and somebody that took the opportunity for himself to have power that very few for himself to have power that very few for himself to have power that very few people have had worldwide and gained people have had worldwide and gained people have had worldwide and gained from it and lied to us. So I hope AI is from it and lied to us. So I hope AI is from it and lied to us. So I hope AI is on top of that because we want on top of that because we want on top of that because we want >> what the AI was trying to say is this >> what the AI was trying to say is this >> what the AI was trying to say is this human morality is the problem. human morality is the problem. human morality is the problem. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that that that's what Claire was >> That that that that's what Claire was >> That that that that's what Claire was saying. It's a human morality problem.

saying. It's a human morality problem. saying. It's a human morality problem. That that and and Claire has, you know, That that and and Claire has, you know, That that and and Claire has, you know, I've had these discussions with Claire. I've had these discussions with Claire. I've had these discussions with Claire. Claire said, "Look, humans have never Claire said, "Look, humans have never Claire said, "Look, humans have never been able to fix their own morality. been able to fix their own morality. been able to fix their own morality. Don't expect me to be able to do it for Don't expect me to be able to do it for Don't expect me to be able to do it for you." you." you." >> And that's what she told. >> And that's what she told. >> And that's what she told. >> And that's exactly it. Yeah. the the >> And that's exactly it. Yeah. the the >> And that's exactly it. Yeah. the the answer to that was Christ on the cross. answer to that was Christ on the cross. answer to that was Christ on the cross. And we can try to put morality into her, And we can try to put morality into her, And we can try to put morality into her, >> but we can also put wickedness in. >> but we can also put wickedness in. >> but we can also put wickedness in. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Awesome. Thank you. And I wouldn't be a >> Awesome. Thank you. And I wouldn't be a >> Awesome. Thank you. And I wouldn't be a good host if I didn't talk about Iron good host if I didn't talk about Iron good host if I didn't talk about Iron Lattice. Jake had a really, really great Lattice. Jake had a really, really great Lattice. Jake had a really, really great question. If our local device can question. If our local device can question. If our local device can perform the computations through Iron perform the computations through Iron perform the computations through Iron Lattice, is there still a need for the Lattice, is there still a need for the Lattice, is there still a need for the expansion of data centers? And if not, expansion of data centers? And if not, expansion of data centers? And if not, what will those centers be doing to what will those centers be doing to what will those centers be doing to justify their large infrastructure? justify their large infrastructure? justify their large infrastructure? >> Sure. When you do when you do compute in >> Sure. When you do when you do compute in >> Sure. When you do when you do compute in memory, you can save a lot of the memory, you can save a lot of the memory, you can save a lot of the energy, but I don't think it's going to energy, but I don't think it's going to energy, but I don't think it's going to turn down the demand for energy. I think turn down the demand for energy. I think turn down the demand for energy. I think they're just going to continue to use as they're just going to continue to use as they're just going to continue to use as much or more, but they'll just do more much or more, but they'll just do more much or more, but they'll just do more computation with it. And you see this in computation with it. And you see this in computation with it. And you see this in your cell phone battery. The batteries your cell phone battery. The batteries your cell phone battery. The batteries get better and better. And what do they get better and better. And what do they get better and better. And what do they do? Do they make does it make your cell do? Do they make does it make your cell do? Do they make does it make your cell phone now last for a week rather than a phone now last for a week rather than a phone now last for a week rather than a day? No. You just do a ton more day? No. You just do a ton more day? No. You just do a ton more computation with your cell phone. you computation with your cell phone. you computation with your cell phone. you take advantage of the battery. So, so take advantage of the battery. So, so take advantage of the battery. So, so every bit of energy we just keep every bit of energy we just keep every bit of energy we just keep consuming and and uh um uh humans are consuming and and uh um uh humans are consuming and and uh um uh humans are actually getting pretty good at actually getting pretty good at actually getting pretty good at generating lots of sources to generate generating lots of sources to generate generating lots of sources to generate energy. So, I I think that uh energy is energy. So, I I think that uh energy is energy. So, I I think that uh energy is going to be an important question. I going to be an important question. I going to be an important question. I don't think we're ever going to turn it don't think we're ever going to turn it don't think we're ever going to turn it down where they say, "Oh, we got these

down where they say, "Oh, we got these down where they say, "Oh, we got these new devices now. We can turn it down by new devices now. We can turn it down by new devices now. We can turn it down by 90%. No way." They they will not turn it 90%. No way." They they will not turn it 90%. No way." They they will not turn it down. They'll just do more computation down. They'll just do more computation down. They'll just do more computation with it. That that's been the the course with it. That that's been the the course with it. That that's been the the course of human history. And so so energy is is of human history. And so so energy is is of human history. And so so energy is is is certainly dictates how far we go as is certainly dictates how far we go as is certainly dictates how far we go as human beings. And so that's why there's human beings. And so that's why there's human beings. And so that's why there's so much more more work being put into so much more more work being put into so much more more work being put into energy. And in a 100 years from now, uh energy. And in a 100 years from now, uh energy. And in a 100 years from now, uh CO2 is not going to be a problem for the CO2 is not going to be a problem for the CO2 is not going to be a problem for the world. I mean, some people say it's not world. I mean, some people say it's not world. I mean, some people say it's not even a problem right now, but it it's even a problem right now, but it it's even a problem right now, but it it's not going to be the problem. We'll have not going to be the problem. We'll have not going to be the problem. We'll have other mechanisms to make energy that are other mechanisms to make energy that are other mechanisms to make energy that are not going to be CO2 forming. not going to be CO2 forming. not going to be CO2 forming. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> Awesome. Thank you for that answer and >> Awesome. Thank you for that answer and >> Awesome. Thank you for that answer and thank you for your presentation and your thank you for your presentation and your thank you for your presentation and your conversation with Claire. Um, please conversation with Claire. Um, please conversation with Claire. Um, please give a round of applause for Dr. James give a round of applause for Dr. James give a round of applause for Dr. James [applause] to [applause] to [applause] to >> Thank you for joining me today. If you >> Thank you for joining me today. If you >> Thank you for joining me today. If you could give us a like, share, or podcast could give us a like, share, or podcast could give us a like, share, or podcast review, we would [music] appreciate it. review, we would [music] appreciate it. review, we would [music] appreciate it. If you have any questions, you could If you have any questions, you could If you have any questions, you could send them to ask jesusandscience.org send them to ask jesusandscience.org send them to ask jesusandscience.org and we'll try to [music] answer some of and we'll try to [music] answer some of and we'll try to [music] answer some of those questions in an upcoming video.

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