Murder, Drugs and Cover-Ups: Military Insider Exposes the Criminal Cartel Within the US Navy SEALs

Thanks for doing this. >> Thank you, Tucker. >> Um, you've had a really varied life, I would say, and you have devoted the last several, maybe seven years of it to a man called Job Price and his memory and discovering the truth about how his life ended. Who was he? >> It's an interesting story. Um, he and I were classmates at Pottstown High School. We graduated together in 1989. Um, but we weren't friends. Like we >> Philadelphia. >> Yes. Outside of Philadelphia. And uh we knew each other in the same classes, but we didn't socialize outside of school. And but he was the the bar, right? It's academically, athletically. He was the bar everybody was trying to reach. He was brilliant. He was a three sport star in school. and he was just he was for me personally he was my my academic rival and I we both were on the I at one point in time I was on the the track to be go to a military academy and he ended up going to the Air Force Academy. Um graduated from there and then transferred his commission to the Navy because he wanted to be a Navy Seal. Um but he was kind of a goofy guy. He wasn't tough. He didn't have a hard edge to him. kind of boy scoutish.

>> Yes. >> Um but everybody everybody was drawn to him. He just had that kind of personality. So going Navy Seal was actually not anything that I would have had on my bingo card. He didn't that wasn't his tough like you would think Navy Seal there would be a whole lot more harder edge personality and he just he he wasn't that. But did he make a good career out of it? >> So he graduates Air Force Academy. What happens to his life after that? He transfers his commission to the Navy, which I didn't even know you could do. Um, goes to BUDS, which is the the first thing you have to do when you go to become a Navy Seal. Um, and he he spent 19 and a half years in before he died and was 6 months away from his pension >> and by all accounts was on the Admiral tract. He was supposed to go to school up in Rhode Island in June of 2013. um because that's I guess a prerequisite for for what the college >> y >> so um he excelled at every level which is not surprising >> um but you know in this and I I'm learning all this over the last seven years but in the SEALs you don't if you're an officer you have to fill certain billets certain roles on your your trajectory upward so there's certain boxes you got to check to serve in this role, you serve in that role, and then they want you, if you're going to become an admiral, you have to run a team. So, he

became the commander of Seal Team 4. Um, which is one of the East Coast, uh, Virginia Beach SEAL teams. The even numbers are East Coast, the >> odds are West. And, uh, right after he got command, they got deployed to Afghanistan in 2012. Um, and then he died December 22nd, 2012 in Afghanistan. >> After how many months in the country? >> Uh, I believe they got there in September. So, uh, 3 months roughly. >> So, tell us the um, did he have a family by the way? >> Yes. He had um a daughter who was nine and his wife um, he loved his wife and his children his child very much. And, uh, you know, this was he died 3 days before Christmas. So give us the Wikipedia version of how he died. What's the official version? >> The official version is suicide. Um they say that the deployment was a it was a it was in the middle of the war of the GWAT era. 2012 was smack dab in the middle and um he had a couple guys get killed SEALs and then a couple army guys get killed separate all separate incidents but um he struggled a little bit with that and they said he was depressed and uh you know I've been depressed and we're sitting here talking I didn't kill myself so it's not a there's not a a direct link between depression and suicide

um but he was found in his bunk with a gunshot went to his head and a gun still in his hand. And you know to a layman that that may look like suicide. >> Yep. >> And for a lot of years that's just what it was. And >> how many deployments he had? >> I want to say 14 total, but not not all to war zones. But for they deployments have a >> they do a mission, but it's not necessarily a wartime mission. you know, they'll do a boarding of commercial vessel that's, you know, the pirates are on or whatever. So, um, but he had done one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, but this was his first command level deployment. So, they just said he was depressed and decided to take his life. >> How old was he? >> 42. Career naval officer, commander, SEAL team 4 kills himself. Is that a common profile? It's never happened, >> right? >> Um, >> so the guys that kill themselves, the military is like some PFC drunk. I mean, there's a lot of suicide in the military, obviously.

>> Not many in theater, though. >> And of and of command level officers, >> zero, right, >> in in the entire Giwad era. He would have been the only one. Um, and that's, you know, I I when I heard it was suicide, again, I wasn't I didn't have an emotional connection to Job. We weren't tight. >> Yeah. So, it was sad obviously, but I didn't have this visceral response, >> right, >> that I felt like I needed to mourn or anything like that. It just was what it was. And I went on with my life until 2019 when this happened. >> Did you have a psychiatric history? >> None. Zero. There there was there was no um notes, there was no conversations, there was no um forewarnings of any type that he had any in inclination to to kill himself. Was he intoxicated when he died? >> No, he had um and this is he was a vehemently was against medicines. >> Yeah. >> Like he just didn't like taking medicines. But apparently he uh was on Valium uh benadryil and uh Tramodol that was in his system. Um totally not normal for him. And only one of them was actually on the books prescribed. So um we don't know where the other >> which a described >> the volume he because he wasn't sleeping.

>> Yeah. >> Um low dose very low dose volume. >> Um you know and over there it's not like good with CVS here. I mean there's >> but there is there is a a tracking mechanism to who gets issued what for what. Um but I'm sure there is uh moments where that's not recorded. But Job would not want it not recorded. Like that's not his he's the commander. It's he does he sets the tone. He's he's the guy that that follows all the rules. And uh so I I just I'm not 100% sure if those were prescribed to him or not. >> Why was his name Job? >> I I didn't ask his dad this, but knowing his dad that he died two years ago, unfortunately. Um but I got to really know him. He was a great man. and knowing their their faith and knowing their u their family knit nature of of their family. It's just Job, his sister and mom and dad.

He was named after the the biblical character Job. We exhibit if you knew Job and you read the story of Job, you'd be like, "That's that guy." >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Patient. >> Yeah. >> Faithful. >> Yes. >> Um >> quite a name. So, nobody wants to feel tired and foggy. You got low energy that hurts your career, your health, your marriage. Joy and Bloss is one of the best ways to make sure you stay totally alert and on top of your game. The message to men is simple. If you're tired of being tired, you don't have to accept defeat. Much of what you're feeling probably traces back to your hormones to low testosterone. Between 1999 and 2016, average testosterone among American men ages 15 to 39 fell almost 25%. That's never happened in all human history. It actually did happen. You can check it out. It's totally real and no one's doing anything about it really. But Join Bloss is trying and makes it simple. You start with a blood test so you actually know what your numbers are. Then a licensed clinician reviews your labs and builds a plan specifically around you. And if TRT is right for you, they guide the entire process because it's not for every man.

But the only way to know whether it's for you is to look and find out. Join Blok does it the right way. Prescriptions are filled by Americanbasedarmacies, not abroad. Quality testing for potency, purity, sterility, potential contaminants, the whole thing. It's comprehensive. Nothing is unexamined. New customers get 65% off labs plus 20% off supplements at joyandblokes.com/tucker. Just use the code tucker at checkout. That's joyandblok.com/ducker. So, you hear at some point that your high school classmate who you admired but were not intimately close with dies after this impressive career. He kills himself in Afghanistan as a leader of Seal Team 4. And at what point do you decide maybe that's not true? I immediately didn't think it was true only because it didn't fit who he was. Like that just it made no sense to me. But again, I didn't have a reason to to spend a lot of time on it. And but 2019, I was I had a podcast at the time and I wanted to have his sister on to basically say who Job was to her. Um, not as not a bio thing, but just like my brother was this person, you know, I wrote a book about my brother because I wanted my brother's name to be remembered forever.

>> And uh I wanted her to have that ability to have something that she could have and a recording of and her telling her brother's story. And uh she said to me, "Can we meet with my dad first?" I'm like, "Okay." So, I go over there and he hands me a three- ring binder with 356 pages of military reports and says, "This is Job's death book." And I don't think he committed suicide. I said, "Okay." And he goes, "Well, you take a look at it." I was still a cop at the time. And I said, "Certainly." And I said, "But I I need to be real honest with you. If I think it's suicide, I'm going to tell you it's suicide." He goes, "That's fair enough. I just want somebody that I trust to to look at it." So I looked at it for about a week. >> It's pretty common, as you know, as a cop >> to hear from surviving family members of someone who commits suicide. I don't think it's was suicide, >> right? Oh, everybody. That's that's a >> Yeah, I've heard it a million times. >> So I review it for about a week and what I realized was is that basically the the book, the death book, was like a puzzle.

The box on the cover has a picture and the pages in between were supposed to make me believe that the that Joe killed himself and what I got was a thousand piece puzzle set with 250 pieces. So I couldn't create the picture that Joe killed himself. So I told his dad I said I can't say it's suicide based on the information that's in this book. Um I would need to dig more. And he goes do you mind doing that? Said no I don't. He goes do you want me to pay you? I said, "I I don't sell hope." I said, "So, I I don't need any money. I'll just do this." And at the time, I I wasn't expecting seven years of my life devoted to it. But, right, um I thought I was just going to do a little digging and search the internet and find some information. >> Thankfully, we don't have a clear picture of the path before us. >> Yes. Would have been a hard stop probably. I'm not going to lie. Um so, yeah, I I it just began this this journey for truth into finding out what happened to Job. And the more I got exposed to sources and you know there's a there's a group of people that have been investigating Navy Seal corruption from former members of the community, intelligence agencies, federal and state law enforcement that are all in this little network of people that have been doing this for three decades since Marenko um who was creator of Seal Team 6, famed SEAL um dirty as the day is long. But um

once I got into that network, I was exposed to them. I got exposed to everything. >> I I don't want to sidetrack you, but could you just give us the Mareno overview, the Wikipedia version? >> Yeah, he was uh you know, creator of Seal Team 6, which is dev development group. >> Yep. >> Um the elite tier one element of Navy Seals and uh he he created the brand of the Navy Seals. wrote books. Um, I read so I can't I I know I've never read any of his books to be honest with you, but they're they're all How do you make a seal look good 101 and uh but he was I mean he was in the Epstein files um well known that he was running drugs and and women with for the cartels which is a a common theme to him with special operations guys going down and whether it's for guns for hire or whatever but training cartels and tactics and techniques and procedures, which you know, you would think is probably counterproductive to the sovereignty of our country, but who am I to judge? But Dick Marceno was the creator of the Navy Seal brand.

>> And it you believe it's been established that he was corrupt in a deep way. >> Very much so. Um, and again, I'm not a firsthand witness to any of that, but having spoken to people who were, it's very clear that he was the the godfather of of all of it. He had he had a very deep and influential control over a lot of pieces of the Navy Seal brand and then also our government. like he had he was just very very wily and conniving and smart. >> He's gone. >> He passed a couple years ago. Yeah. >> But up until his death, he was still very much an intricral part of like things didn't happen without his blessing. So >> interesting. >> Yeah. >> I think most people are totally unaware of that. >> Yeah. It's Listen, I wish I was unaware of it. So, so you basically got pulled into this story because the father of your classmate asked you to to take a closer look at what happened.

>> Yep. And and once I reviewed it and told him I'd start digging, I said, "Here's what I can promise you." I said, "I'll I'll find the answer." I said, "And I won't stop until I do." >> With that said, what do you think now having spent seven years looking at this? Um, what do you think happened? to Job Price. >> I know 100% certainty he did not kill himself. Um the one thing and and I and once we get to the the actual details of the crime, um you'll you'll see it clearly but forensics, there's certain things you can do to make a scene look a certain way and still screw it up. And Job's body was staged. Um, nobody heard a gunshot in an occupied building um, overnight where there was an operation center that was 247 right on the other side of the wall of his bedroom in a war zone. Nobody heard a gunshot. Um, the gun Job was holding was not suppressed. It was unable to be suppressed. Didn't have a threaded barrel. It was a Sig 226 um, >> 9mm.

>> 9mm. And um he was shot in the same position that he slept in every night. He was naked, which is how he slept on his left side with a pillow in the crook of his left arm. And that's how he was shot. And yep, I've been on a lot of suicides in my career. And it's not all, but I will tell you that a vast majority of suicides have some it's either immediately reactionary where like you walk in on your wife having an affair and you go out and kill yourself. Um, but most of the time it's if there's a pre-planning involved, you wouldn't pre-plan it to do it while you're sleeping. Just doesn't the the scene didn't make sense. And that was the first thing that stuck out to me when I saw the crime scene photos, what it just didn't make sense. And he was found he was shot on his left side. He was shot from the right to the left uh downward in a 45 degree angle, but he was found laying on his back with the gun still in his hand across his chest and his head facing to the right, which is the opposite of the direction his head was in when he was shot.

Um, that to me, I couldn't figure out like just physics how his body could have gotten there. And then there was just missing pieces. There was no ballistics reports in the the documents that I was given by the father and uh no gunshot residue testing lab results, no DNA trace evidence, you know, blood, skin, hair testing done. Um at least I didn't have the reports for it. And that took me almost four years to get um because you just keep get kicked down the lane when you do foyas and if you're not foying the exact right department of the exact right agency, you're not going to get the answer you're looking for. So finally I was able to get those reports and those reports told me that Job didn't kill himself and there was no gunshot residue testing done on his hands which is the only place you really need to do GSR testing on is to prove whether somebody shot a gun or not. Um there was not no proof that Job fired a gun which is vital to you concluding either someone did or did not kill himself.

There was no um testing done for not to get graphic, but when you commit suicide with a contact wound, there's going to be a reverse explosion coming outward, blood, hair, skin, brain, bone is going to come back because of the gases. As they hit a solid contact, it just spreads out and then the impact and the the velocity of the bullet and it just creates blood and everything coming back at you. So, there was very little blood on Job on his hand, his his right hand. Um, and the gun was never tested for any of those trace evidence things. So, for me, that that's a why wouldn't you test it? Like, how would you not want to know that that was the gun? And then the ballistics, only thing the ballistics showed was the gun, the bullet, and the casing that was found came from that gun. But there was no proof that that gun was ever used in that room. They had these um in order to keep people from having accidental negligent discharges, they had like a a place where you can pull your trigger and make sure your gun's cleared and so you're not going into the the the building with a loaded weapon.

Very easily you could empty that, take that gun, fire it in there, retrieve the bullet, retrieve the casing and the gun and put it in the room. And yes, they they go together, but doesn't mean they were ever used in the commission of any type of violent act. And so those were things that really started to shape things up for me. Um, but it wasn't until, you know, I Let me back up real quick. One thing, and this will just astound you, and listen, I understand NCIS on TV is not NCIS in real life. when Job was found dead at 9:30ish in the morning by the same guy that found him last saw him alive and they everybody you know he got all the other command staff people and they all agreed Job was dead brought in the NCIS agent who just happened to be in the building and the dock to pronounce him dead. Um, typically in law enforcement, if you have a crime scene, because at this point, when you find somebody dead, it's a crime scene until it's proven not to be a crime, >> right?

>> Um, they all agree he's dead. They leave. The NCI agent, NCIS agent locks the door and gives the key to the guy that found him dead, who was a SEAL, and said, "Don't let anybody in this room. We'll be back with more guys." And 9 hours later, NCIS came back. So for nine hours, Job's body laid there in his bed in his room with all of the suspects having access to that room. And in law enforcement, once it's a crime scene, it's your crime scene. There's no relinquishing it to non-law enforcement until properly relieved. That's a crime scene. Law enforcement must be in control of it at all times. Or else any evidence that would come from it, if there if a crime had occurred, you wouldn't be able to prove anything because it would all be fruit of the poisonous tree. You couldn't you couldn't use it. there was no crime scene integrity um chain of custody of evidence like you just couldn't nothing could ever be proven which was their greatest knowing now that it was a homicide the greatest thing they did was create an a scenario where evidence could never point to them so imagine being president knowing that anything you do could determine the fate of the world that's exactly the situation that Reagan faced at the height of the Cold War stakes couldn't have been higher Studios new movie the brink of war brings that moment in history to life for modern audiences. Both the US and the Soviet Union possessed enough nuclear weapons to destroy each other. And they still do, by the way. That means that one

wrong move would have ended the world. And that's what makes the brink of war so compelling. It is a political thriller. Couldn't be more tense about leadership under pressure, the courage to pursue reconciliation, and what happens when the world is on the line. The Brink of War is not a slow documentary with a narrator reading a script as still images show up on the screen as so many are. It's a live action drama that'll have you compelled. That means actors playing Reagan, Muel Gorbachov, Secretary of State George Schultz, and all the rest. The questions they face remain sadly relevant right now. The Brink of War is now streaming on Angel. Join the Angel Guild to stream today at angel.com/tc. >> You know what I'm saying? of course. >> Um and then immediately after relinquishing the body, after they did the crime scene investigation itself, 9 hours later, they bagged his hands in the room for preserve evidence on his hands, which is standard. Um and the NCIS agent told the same guy that found him dead, the command master chief, his name was Jeff Peeler. Um and I say was for a reason.

He was told not to touch Joe's body and Job's body gets taken out by the medical people and the NCIS agent forgot to put uh a bloody bed sheet in his with his belongings that go into the body bag so it can all get tested when it goes back to do for the medical examiner. And when he walked in, they were washing Job's entire body from head to toe. They took the bags off his hands, scrubbed his hands, washed every part of his body, literally all evidence down the drain. >> Who was they? >> Um, the medical people at the direction of Jeff Peeler. And Jeff's excuse was he wanted Job to have a dignified return flight home. The problem is they put the evidence bags, new evidence bags back on his hands, which is a a deceitful thing. Like if you remove evidence bags, wash somebody's hands and put new evidence bags on. You want whoever is going to be receiving that body to think that they've been not touched, >> right? That's the assumption that the evidence bags sealed present. Um so all those things and I knew those a lot of those things early on. Um minus the reports that I didn't have which were you know the big red flags. you know, nine hours of unsecured crime scene is a big problem for me as a police officer.

Um, but in 2024, um, I started to get some traction on some podcasts and people were knowing more about Job and, you know, I would talk about a lot of things, but always Job was the focus of the the episodes that I was on. and forensic people who follow these more the the vet bro podcast world started to reach out to me and ask if they'd if I'd let them take a look at the everything I had. And once I vetted who they were, I had no problem doing that. More eyes the better. I'm not a forensics guy. I'm just a cop. And uh I had five fourensic investigators, so guys that actually work crime scenes. and then a uh forensic let me get his title exactly right. Um forensics criminology um he's a forensic science and and PhD in criminology. His name is Brent Turvy who is uh was recently on the Idaho four college kids that were murdered by Yeah.

So he was he worked for the defense on that as a as their forensic expert, one of their forensic experts. But anyways, he reviewed it too. And every single one of them, the four investigators and the the doctor guy all concluded that it was murder. So all of the things that I knew as my gutwise, just from experience, I knew now that >> I hadn't been convincing myself of something that wasn't true. Now I know that it's true. And then I've spent the last two years trying to get the United States government to care and reopen the case. I've had Congress people write letters to the Navy and the Navy keeps coming back. We're we're satisfied with our investigation. If he wants to send in any information, he can send it through the tip line, which I'm sure >> the tip line >> quickly will be responded to. >> Yeah. The unmonitored tip line. >> Um Okay. So what you're describing, if true, would be a fairly complex operation.

And so it would require motive, I would think. >> Yes. >> Why why go to the trouble to murder a man and cover it up and take the risk and uh all of that without a real reason? And what would the reason be, do you think? >> Well, it's evolved. Um, initially I was looking at it from a individual moment perspective like this happened which caused this, this happened which caused that. Um, there were multiple things that happened on that deployment that um could have played a role in in someone or some group of people wanting to hurt Job. Um when Joe before he deployed as the commander of Seal Team 4, he went to the same area to because Seal Team 2 was the team they relieved and he was there just sort of getting the lay of the land, meeting with their commander, knowing the locals, um meeting the the police chief, the guy in charge of the province who's a terrorist. Um and just getting to understand what's going on.

And at this time in June of 2012, there was an Afghan detainine that was killed by four SEALs and while detained. >> While detained. Yeah. Tortured and killed. Um and Job was brought in on that to look over the evidence and make his recommendation. Not official, but the commander of SEAL team 2 wanted his input and Job recommended court marshal for all of them. And during this the same period of time, the Taliban there was intercept signal and intercept of chatter of them talking about wanting to get retribution against the SEALs for what they did to one of their villagers. >> Now why did why was he killed the detainer? >> They thought well they they said he was a suspect in a in an a bomb going off. >> Um but it wasn't he wasn't the person. They ended up letting him go and he died 2 hours after they let him go back in his village >> from his injuries. from his injuries.

Yeah. So, fast forward to November um when Job is now commander of Seal Team 4 and they've already relieved Seal Team 2 and they moved the Ford operating base from where it was to about 60 kilometers away but still within the the operating area of the the local Taliban and u one of his guys was killed in an ambush and uh that was the the retribution for what happened with their villager was Seal Team 2 and Job was unaware of this signals intelligence that was intercepted that there was a potential for for that type of event to happen. Um and also at this period of time that you know it's 2012 winning hearts and minds was important for many reasons some not valid and village stability operations were happening all the time and you're they're trying to help these villagers and get them you sustaining themselves and um interfacing with the local mulas and things of that nature. Well, Job had to deal with this guy named Matula Khan, who was the local police chief in the Ursan pro province. Very powerful man, former, you know, drug smuggler and human trafficker before he became the police chief, quote unquote.

And one of the things that Job really struggled with was having to deal with this guy because he knew that there was underage kids being trafficked um and that drugs, you know, this is I think you had John Kuryaku on. >> Yep. talking about the poppy fields and how the CIA paid, you know, farmers in Afghanistan to not grow crops and grow poppies. And by 2012, 93% of the heroin in the world was coming out of the poppy fields of Afghanistan. And it was a it's a very well-known fact that the SEALs part of their responsibility was to protect those poppy fields. >> Owning a home has always been the core of the American dream. It's the asset that families work their lives to build. Place of stability, security, and actual wealth. But too many homeowners right now are stuck swiping credit cards to cover groceries, paying a survival tax of 20% interest or more. So, we're against debt. We always say that, but you can't buy a house without debt right now. Almost anybody has to take out a loan. So, the question is, who you going to get a loan from? Why are you handing your money to big banks when you can keep it for your family? Our friends at American Financing have a better way.

They're helping homeowners tap into their hard-earned equity. They're supporting Americans looking to fulfill the American dream of owning a home. American Financing saves its customers an average of 800 bucks a month. That's nearly $10,000 a year. It's not just a loan, it's a total financial reset. And so, American Financing is worth looking at. They're called America's home for home loans for a reason. Find out more at 800685-55696. 800685-5696 or visit americanf financing.net/tucker. >> Can I ask you to pause? I've never understood the reasoning there. Why would the US government promote heroin? >> Uh opium. I you know that's a deep deep conversation but it's you know similar to Vietnam right so like there's always been a a desire to uh neuter people whether it's their will to thrive or or whatever and drugs are a very very good way to do that. Yeah, I'm I'm seeing it in our own country were being neutered by drugs on purpose.

>> And I think, you know, if whether it was intended for Americans to be neutered or the enemy in Russia or China or wherever that they were planning on having that where that wherever that was going, the that 93% was going around the world. It wasn't just coming to America. So, there probably is some >> Yeah, it's probably that simple. If if you seek to dominate people, get them on drugs. >> Yeah. that I mean that's the if you see a red car it's a red car right so for me a's razor I guess that's called >> I think that's right >> um so Job struggled with that and I think um ultimately the thing that got him killed while there was an incident where one of the guys in his unit had um raped an Afghany teen and u another guy who was a former SEAL team six guy who rolled in from SEAL team two was attached to two and then got given to Job as well was stealing ASOT money, which is the CIA money that special operations would get and they're using it to pay off people, >> the tribal leaders. Yeah.

>> The the famous pallets of $100 bills. Um but back to something you just said, one of his men, one of his SEALs in SEAL team 4 raped >> an Afghan girl, I assume. >> Yeah. >> Was he um court marshal for this? >> No. Um because so Job was struggling with a lot of things. Like a lot of things had to be dealt with. Three days before he died, he talked with his wife and he said she asked how he was doing. He said, "Yeah, there's a lot of things happening that I'm going to have to deal with when I get back." And she didn't she knew, you know, she's the wife of a Seahill commander, so she knows not to ask right >> specific questions. Um and roughly 2 weeks before he died, the entire hierarchy of group two, which is the overseeing entity of the east coast seals. Um Tim Samansky, who was the admiral um and two other uh high level people within group two came to Afghanistan and met with Job for like a very short trip. And I have witness statements um stating that there was a a heated argument between Tim Smansky and Job a few days, you know, 10 10 days, two weeks before his death.

If if I had to, you know, I don't have specific proof of this, but if I had to guess what that conversation was about, it was about Job wanting to report everything that happened from the rape to the stolen money to the moola, you know, trafficking drugs and kids and the poppy fields and >> and I think he was told cuz he was, like I said earlier, he was on the admiral tract and I think they said, "If you want to have a career, you're just going to keep your mouth mouth shut and you're going to get your next gig after you're done being the commander Seal Team 4 and you'll go to college in June and you'll become an admiral. >> So big picture what we're seeing is 11 years into the Afghan war, order and discipline are starting to break down. People are getting cynical, you know, it's just like what happens if a war goes on long enough. It's not really about what it started. >> No. >> Uh in response to so >> and that's you know I I am not critical like I understand war. I I understand the mechanics of it.

>> Yep. >> Um and I'm I'm not necessarily criticizing the SEALs for doing their jobs in battle like that. You may go over the line a couple times, you may cross, >> but after 11 years, things are likely to fall apart. >> Yeah. And I think you send people out enough times to do animal stuff, they become animals. >> And boy, that's the truest thing ever said. I think that's I having the luxury of being exposed to many events that have occurred over the last 20 years within the SEAL community. That's that's the most logical cause and effect. Um and then but then there's a sinister side to it where there is, you know, a mafia level hierarchy within the Navy Seals on the corrupt side that will use guys. I had an I had a SEAL team six guy bear a soul to me telling me about how on ops they were told to kill everybody, women, children, everybody on a on a target they were at. And that after they did that, they were then asked to do things like take this to this person, this mullos. And when they say they don't want to do that unless they know what they're taking, they're like, "Well, then you're going to be written up as a you're going to be court marshaled as a war criminal for killing all those people because you did that on your own, even though it was a direct order from the higherups." So, they would they use all of those little mechanisms of of manipulation and and keeping a thumb on guys.

>> It's an initiation, >> right? >> Very much so. And it there's, you know, they target certain personalities within their teams, especially in Seal Team 6. Um, >> what does that mean? >> So, and I we talked about this at breakfast that, you know, there was a in the 80s the people they were recruiting to be Navy Seals when there was no war going on were more of the military bearing, rule following um traditional leader type person. Once the GWAT started, they were recruiting, you know, the high school wrestler with an anger issue, um, maybe got in some trouble with law and has no dad, that was the profile they started to recruit because they knew that those those guys were looking for something to belong to. They were looking for something with a with a greater purpose that allowed them to use their their anger and their their rage in a legal quote unquote legal productive way. And that's >> started recruiting emotionally stunted guys. >> Yes, very much so.

Yeah, it really shows, I must say. Um, >> wow. Um, so Tim Samsky, Admiral commanding Steel Team 2. Is that >> No, he was group two. Um, he was the overall boss >> um at that time. >> Who is he exactly? >> He is an acolyte of uh Dick Mareno. Um, you know, I' I've never met the man, but his reputation precedes him and everything I've been told about him from the community in which I'm now part of in this seal corruption exposure group of people um is that he's the the queen bee. He's he's the one that runs the show. always the one that creates the um the brand while SEALs and then after they're done being seals. You know, there's there's plenty of vertical markets that the SEALs are in um that make a lot of money and just like a multi-level marketing scheme, money gets kicked up the chain, kind of like the mob. Um and and from what I'm told, um allegedly Tim Samsky is the leader of that and there's enough >> Is he a civilian at this point?

>> Yeah, he's retired. Retired admiral. Um and I again I I only care about Job. But in order for people to care about Job other than me, I had to be exposed to all the other stuff because there was nobody frontf facing their work. It was all behind the scenes. It was all um surreptitiously investigated because these guys, a lot of these SEALs don't want to go against the brand. >> Yeah. They don't want to come out and and you know it pisses me off because I'm out here Joe small town cop from Pottstown Pennsylvania taking the arrows doing the heavy lifting. >> Yep. >> And you know I would love them to come out and and defend and fight for the community that they they love and the country that they love. Um but they needed me to be the face and the voice for the things that they were investigating.

So I had opportunity to interview Rob O'Neal um for six hours and um that interview which was on the J Slay USA podcast, great podcast by the way, you'd love him. Jeremy Sllayton, former AAA baseball player in the Phillies organization. Um that interview, those six hours of interviews because we did a the Bin Laden raid >> Yeah. interview. And then we talked about Job. We talked about Extortion 17. We talked about Marx Latrell with Lone Survivor. And actually Rob admitted that he believed that Job's death was a cover up and that it wasn't suicide. And I give him credit for saying that because Rob's while while he has faults and while many people don't um believe that he's the one that shot Bin Laden first, which you know, everybody I've talked to leads me to believe that's true. Um, but I wasn't there, so I don't really know who did what. But to his credit, he isn't afraid to say things about other things within his community, which I do appreciate.

Um, we may not agree on on the Bin Laden thing, but I do appreciate him being honest during those interviews. And those interviews are what created the opportunity for me to expand myself on podcasts and to get Job's name out more and to get those forensics people to reach out to me. Um, you know, Dr. Turvy, you know, he wrote his he has a bunch of points that he wrote when he he uh reviewed the case. You know, Job's body was moved twice after he was dead. There are three distinct dried blood flow patterns on his head, which can't happen in an instantaneous death. You know, the bullet enters the brain, it slides out immediately. You can't move two more times. Um, the casing was found under Job's butt, his tailbone area. Impossible to have happened in the position which he was shot. Um, the bullet wound up in the upper left corner by the head of the bed. Um, if you're standing at the foot of the bed, upper left corner, where under his bed were pelican boxes. And the only place that didn't have a pelican box was the upper left corner. and the blood from Job's head had pulled under there and the bullet was found in that pool of blood. Um, they didn't test that bullet for anything other than the DNA of the blood. There's no testing for brain blood, uh, brain, skin, skull fragments, nothing. Um,

>> bull was intact. It was it was, you know, crushed down, but it was intact enough to know that it was a 9mm um ball ammo that they were issued. Um, but the the one thing that's very I don't have an answer to, but it I I kind of do have an answer to is that during his autopsy, there's photos of his head where there is a distinct semicircle uh the same diameter as the face of a suppressor. And you know, I in 2002 I was introduced to Pete Haggath and he was still at Fox at the time and asked him for help, helped get exposure, introduced me to people. We even talked about you and uh I said anything you can do to help me. And so he I sent him everything I had at the time and he reviewed it and he agreed. I have text messages that I released to the Washington Post for the article that was written in June on the front page where he says that there's no way anybody would commit suicide in the position that he was found in and that it was clearly a suppressor was used to kill him. Well, Job's gun was unsuppressed.

So, we have a problem. How do we how do we justify a suicide when there's potential evidence of a different gun being used to kill him, which means it's a homicide? on top of the forensics, that alone is a is a huge issue for me trying to figure out, you know, we need somebody to come up with an answer for that because that's just not um you can't just let that be. And you know, nobody heard a gunshot, which would be why nobody heard a gunshot, right? Could have been a pillow and a suppressor. It could have been many things that um muted that the sound of that that gun going off. So for me, you know, the forensics were what I needed to validate me that what I had done for the last, you know, five, six years before I got those those findings were true, that I wasn't on a ghost chasing mission. And uh it it gave me the peace of mind to know that I didn't have to go out anymore and convince people that Job was murdered. I know Job was murdered and I know he was murdered by I can't say I am 99% sure he was killed by people that had access to that building.

Um, do I know if it was Seals? No. But I do know that Jeff Peeler, the command master chief, who's the top enlisted guy, >> Yep. >> who found him and then ordered his body washed and had control over the crime scene. Um, actually on Clayton Morris's show and redacted. I named uh Jeff Peeler as the one who orchestrated the cover up of Joe's death and 10 days later he was found dead of a heart attack. Peeler was >> Mhm. >> at what age? >> 62 maybe something like that. By all accounts, great shape. And again, I'm not insinuating anything happened to which is very odd timing that I name him publicly on a rather large platform that he's found dead 10 days later. >> So, it's 3:00 in the afternoon. You've had your coffee, but you're still staring blankly at your screen, rereading the same line, waiting for energy because you're just innovated. It's the afternoon slump. And that's why we're excited to partner with Trumi. So, Trumi makes gummy supplements made out of mushrooms. I know it sounds like the spooky ones, but these are not the mushrooms you're thinking of. These are the ones you put in your soup, the legal ones. Trumi makes products for the basics. Energy, focus, calm, sleep. It's all made in America. It's third party tested. There's no artificial dyes, no fillers. You can read the label and actually understand what's in it, which is pretty crazy these days. So, the one to start with is Trumi Boost. It's made

with cortiseps. that some mushroom people have used for centuries to support stamina and endurance. Kerma uses a triple extraction process and that means they're more potent and they absorb better. So the energy is just steady. It's not a spike and then a crash. And the routine couldn't be easier and more simple. Two gummies a day about a buck. Tastes like candy. A plantpowered fix for a problem that all of us recognize. And if you're not into it, full refund, no risk, no hassle. So if you want to try to beat the slump, we recommend Trumi. Trumi boost. Get 20% off with code tcn20. trumi.comtucker. Trumi is, by the way, t my y.com/tucker. Was there Have you come across any evidence that Peeler was involved in things that he'd want to cover up? Um, no. Um, and and I don't have I mean I have suspects um on who I think were involved. I I know Jeff Peeler knows he knew exactly what happened to Job and you know he's a cleanup guy you know he's top and listed guy he's interfaces with the the command level guys every day and take protect the integrity of the brand >> so sketch out for us without don't name names if you don't care to since you can't prove it but um what do you believe happened like the people who did kill him who were were they command level people were they

>> who who do you believe they were? >> So, I believe the guy that the seal team sex guy that stole the money cuz Job confronted him two days before he died and told him that money had to be returned. Um I believe he was involved. I believe there were a couple of guys that um were involved in that raping of the child, the teen. I think there's guys that hated Job because two of their buddies died. Um I think there was a the active me part the active people in the murder was a small number of people. The conspiracy to cover it up was a large group of people. And you know honestly I believe how do I say this without getting myself sued or killed? Um, I believe that another entity is the one that actually uh executed Job, a nonmilitary government entity.

>> H >> um because of the poppy field heroin thing. >> Yep. would be if I had >> another government agency that works with the SEAL team >> seals closely. Yes. Um and I believe the SEAL team sex guys >> an entity that a lot of SEALs go to work for when they leave the >> they leave. Yes. >> Yeah. >> And I don't have you know again they wash >> you're talking about the department of transportation. >> Yeah. FAA. Um >> FAA. So good. >> Um the forgotten about agency. Um, that's what we used to call it when I was an air marshal, which was nice cuz nobody paid attention to you, but then they created Homeland Security and ruined everything. But I digress. I I think there's there is definitely a thread to pull there that I don't want to pull. >> I really only want Job's case to be changed from suicide to something not suicide. Because if you think about when Job died, he had a million dollar life insurance policy that he had gotten on his own. Um, the military gives they have a $400,000 death benefit if you die in combat that automatically gets paid to the family, but he had a million- dollar life insurance policy plus his six months from being getting his pension plus any, you know, promotions he would have gotten to Admiral and whatever that pay would have been because that's what his pension would have been based off of. So, we're looking at, you know, $3 million minimum in in benefits that his wife and

daughter didn't get. And of course, because none of that is triggered >> by suicide. >> Correct. You get none of those things with when you commit suicide. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> So, it's a meaningful designation like politically speaking. >> Yes. And and there's nothing they can do about the life insurance policy because it's already expired. But the government should stroke a check for all of that to make her whole and then do a computer keystroke change and go from suicide to undetermined. I know I'm never going to get homicide. I know that. >> Well, let's let's let's test your theory. So, you've um described a number of crimes already. You described the murder of a detainee, beaten to death, tortured to death. You've described the rape of a local teenage girl, and you've described the theft of US government funds meant for tribal chiefs. Were any of those investigated and resulted in court marshals? zero.

>> Okay. >> And nobody was nobody was even investigated for destroying evidence and tampering with evidence. Like there was there was absolutely zero accountability for anything that happened on that deployment. >> But you're pretty confident that those other three crimes you described, the rape, the killing of the detainee, and the theft of those funds, those happened >> 100%. >> And no one was ever held accountable in any way. >> Nobody. And the ones that that killed the detainee did get court marshaled and were sentenced to jail. Um ended up having all their charges dropped later on. >> Why? >> And all got promoted. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. You fail forward in the Navy Seals. >> Wait, they were court marshaled, convicted, and then overturned >> and then they got promoted. >> Uh yes, they did. >> Is that normal? >> Uh not in my world it's not. But apparently in that world it is. You know, the Navy is is renowned when you when there's a screw up. So, you look at Lone Survivor, right? Marks Latrrell. It's very well known now that that is not how things actually went. That mission was not like the book in the movie. That book was written for him and he was given new orders when he got back that you are now going to go out and tell this story. And he said that on his own podcast. Well, you probably have heard that diesel prices have gotten so high that G7 nations had to release fuel from strategic reserves to get cost under control. And still, some pumps are readjusting so they can get to $10 per gallon.

Governments across the world are trying to keep cost down, but they are running out of options cuz they're running out of money. The world is unstable. That is the sad truth. And people in charge cannot control even the most basic questions like what is energy cost anymore. The war in Iran is raging. It's not coming to an end soon. Neither is the war in Ukraine. So, could we get a big recession soon? Yeah, of course we could. So, it's smart to think ahead now and imagine how you can take matters into your own hands to protect your savings and your family. And that's why smart investors everywhere, very much including central banks around the world and very much including China, are stocking up on gold, physical gold right now. Gold is not just a store of value for all of human history. It's also proven to be a strong investment. It's outperformed the S&P 500 since 9/11. Over the past 25 years, gold has outperformed the standard and poor average. Gold is down from its historic high earlier this year, more than a,000 bucks. But major institutions predict the spot price will hit another high by Q2 of next year, 2027. So, if you're thinking about buying gold, right now is the time to buy. And people are buying.

We founded Battalion Metals to give you a chance to buy fairly priced gold. This is not a scam. Our margins are small, 3%. But the point is, we're not ripping anybody off, unlike a lot of places you buy gold, cuz we actually believe in gold. And we use this service ourselves. Protect your savings and fortify your future. Explore our collection at battalionals.com/tucker. Can you just summarize quickly what the real story was? Well, the real story is there was, you know, four guys that had no business doing the mission they were being asked to do. They were sub guys, like under wide under underwater diving guys, UDT guys, and they they weren't delta forces, the land guys, right? They're the ones doing wrecky type stuff and and going out hit high value targets in mountains and things of that nature. And the SEALs from and we'll talk about John Chapman and Robert's Ridge um here as well if we have time. Um, from 2002 when that happened with John Chapman all the way until the end of the war, the SEALs were taking over the special operations mission tempo. They were doing things that they were not um equipped to do training wise. That's just not what their their job was. But then, you know, they were doing a lot of urban assaults and not necessarily hitting high value target houses like you would think they should be doing.

just doing basic Marine Corps infantry grunt work they were doing because they wanted to have um I don't want to say that they they wanted it that the thrill to kill but you know there there is you don't go into the seals and not have a desire to you put a feather in your cap and everybody wants to get that first kill and then once you realize you can get that first kill and there's no judge or jury or or anybody oversight you know anything could be a weapon. I thought he was picking up a water jug. I thought it was an IED. I killed him. Oh, it was a water jug. You know, things of that nature were happening all the time. And guys were able to get away with things that typically would be considered um a war crime because of the environment which dictated, you know, there's a lot of um non-traditional weapons being deployed during this time. you know, it gave a lot of latitude and a lot of um freedom of action to the the everyday SEAL. And then the cover was created by the command. And you know, Marcus' team was illquipped for the job that they were going to do. And it's not their fault. They were sent out on that job.

They're not the one to pick the mission. But, you know, what happened there was a a complete breakdown of um they didn't know what they were doing up there and that's you know that's not their fault. They were sent out to do something that they weren't trained to do. And you know, just recently there was a couple guys um Chambers and Ingram who were trying to board a a ship in off the coast of Somalia and they drowned and uh turns out that they didn't have the proper pre-eployment training. Didn't do the buoyancy testing on their gear and they had way too much gear on and they sank. Um but that was covered up by the by the government >> and this just happened. >> Yeah. within last year or two I think it was um the patterns you know as a sigan analyst my my job was to you decode things and patterns are very important and when you when you sit back and look at all the patterns that have been going on since 2002 until the end of the war and how the same key people granted the SEAL teams are small numbers wise comparatively speaking to the overall military But how people who are involved in complete and utter failure missions fail forward. You know, if you screw up, you get medals and then you get promoted

because why would anybody give a medal or promote somebody who's a screw-up? >> Of course. >> Um >> well, they're the face of the entire empire actually at this point. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. So it's not there there there's no real benefit to the US government or the people benefiting from these wars to holding anyone in the SEAL teams accountable because again they're the brand not just of the Navy but of like the entire United States government abroad >> and that and that was a uh an intentional power grab >> and once they got it they didn't relinquish it you know John Chapman with Roberts Ridge so we'll talk about that because it it'll give a lot of perspective as to how the next 18 years would go. >> So, I want to get to that, but before we do, >> I want to go back to something you said a while ago. You said that there are all kinds of business verticals that the SEAL teams benefit from. What does that mean?

>> Some are legal, some are illegal. Um, I have sources who have told me that a lot of drugs, the the ASOP money was to buy drugs and they were getting shipped back um in military cargo >> to the United States >> to the United States and then sold on the open market at, you know, a 350% profit, right? Because they didn't spend any of their own money. They used the taxpayer payer dollar from that ASOP money and bought drugs and had it shipped back and then had that those drugs were sold to, you know, MS-13 and other gangs to distribute on the streets. >> Do you believe that happened? >> 100%. >> Everyone I mean that it's hard to think of a more appalling crime than that, a greater betrayal of our country than our own military importing drugs into our nation to kill our kids. I mean, I can't think of anything worse than that. really >> greed and power and I'll give you another >> but you really believe that happened >> 100%. 100%. Um >> why do you think that? >> Because that's the you know at the >> Have you spoken to people who saw it?

>> Yes. I I'd spoken to people who who didn't participate but were in the circles of knowledge >> and were present when that was happening. present in the trip shipping to the states. Yes. Gee whiz. So there's a guy named Staff Sergeant Milgar who's a special forces guy who was uh killed by two SEAL team six guys and two marine raiders in Mali um in 2018. And he had caught the SEAL team six guys stealing ASOP money and buying drugs and diamonds in Mali. And they killed him. And they said it was they were roughousing in MMA, but they actually they broke his title bone. And then they did a tra on him after he died to try to make it look like they were trying to save his life, but they were just trying to cover up the the fact they broke his that bone in his neck. Um, so it's not Job isn't new.

>> Did they get away with it? >> Uh, they did and they didn't. Um, they went to jail, but then their sentences were reduced. Um, and they got promoted, too, oddly enough. >> When they get out of jail, >> while they were in jail, one got promoted. >> Okay. Well, that's I've never heard this, but you're describing an organization that's completely out of control. >> Very much so, >> cuz they killed an American. >> Yeah. another soldier. Yes. Just so Job was 2012, that was 2018. And and I don't know how many other instances I have on very very good authority from many sources that that called strap hangers. So the SEALs would look at anybody that was attached to them that would be going out on missions with them, whether it's a CCT combat controller from from the Air Force or PJ or TACP or >> special forces guys. If if somebody was was going to upset the brand of the Navy Seals, they were going to rat them out for doing whatever it is they were doing illegally, they would kill them on a knot.

That that was common place. That there was a lot of guys who died who were not killed by enemy fire, were killed by their own men. and that because it's war and because there is no u forensics taken on bullets and trajectories and things of that nature, nobody looks into it. It's just yes, he got killed by a rifle round and he's dead and he was a hero because he was at war when in reality very many times um it was at the hands of the wrong men. And that is the part that haunts me at night is knowing that there is a group of people who are supposed to be um the good guys, right? We're the good guys. We're supposed to be the good guys. We set the standard. We don't stoop to the level of barbarianism like our enemy does. We're supposed to keep a standard. And the fact that that's not what's happening is very very disheartening to me as a as a veteran.

You I was in the army for four years and cop 30 years and I bleed red, white, and blue. I'm as conservative as the as the day is long. And it it haunts me to think that that's what >> Does it shock you though? I mean, you spend 20 years prosecuting a totally pointless war. Like there was no one in charge from the president on down could ever articulate what the point of the Afghan occupation was. Like no one could ever explain the strategy. There were tactics, but like what's the point? And so you take guys, normal, decent Americans, and you put them in a world where killing is kind of what you do, and there's no oversight at all, and there's no purpose or meaning or kind of redemptive mission. Of course, people are going to become evil right? >> You Yeah. And it's, I guess, >> going to corrupt us. >> And you don't want to look behind that curtain, right? Because it's uncomfortable. And as an American, if I didn't have access to the information I had, I would just be as as dumb and and blind as everyone else. Like that's not paying attention at any depth of >> That's by design because the media on a bipartisan basis, leftwing NBC, right-wing Fox News, both of them promote the military as the best thing this country has, the only really noble institution in the nation is our military. The only thing you can't crit, you can criticize everybody else.

You can't criticize the military. >> And that's Yes. And it's >> why is that? You would think like used to say when I was at Fox they always say the left hates the military. Well, I don't notice that. I noticed the left promoting the military actually. Have you noticed that? >> Yeah. I mean, it's I don't think there is a left and right anymore. >> Well, obviously. Yeah. >> I think it's all one one big thing and and they just, you know, for theater pick their their side for the topic of the day. Um, I I guess because I spent 34 years of my life serving and protecting in some capacity and doing it with honor and and, you know, there isn't anybody that can question my career and what I've done. And I just wish that, you know, that's the way it it would be with everybody. But then, you know, I'm I'm an older guy. and your age and I was in the Persian Gulf War and you know there wasn't many wars going on growing up in the 70s and 80s after Vietnam. So there wasn't I didn't have an exposure. The military was you went and served so that you know whether it was to get college money or to learn a trade or whatever you weren't you weren't going to fight a 20-year war. And I think you have to sort of really widen your your focus to see the greater picture of what

happened since 2002 in order to um truly understand the magnitude of the exposure that these guys were placed under. And you know, I have I have nothing but the utmost respect for all the good and honorable men who serve our country. Um, there's a small handful that are ruining it for everybody. And while I take no no pride in exposing this stuff, I also know that the best medicine is probably sunlight in this case. >> Well, it's also they don't own it. They don't own the US military. I mean, I respect people's service. I certainly respect their bravery. Even the bad guys are brave. They're all brave. Huge balls. >> But like, it's not their country. It's not their military. They're doing this on our behalf with our money. That's >> So who do you think you are? Yeah, >> [ __ ] You can't you can't act like that under our You see what I'm saying? It's like I feel this way about our political class, too. It's like this doesn't belong to you. Actually, you don't get to wreck it.

>> And we've and >> we've allowed ourselves to to to distance ourselves from the very fabric of what makes us ourselves. America is unique to more than any other country ever created. And the things that made us unique, we now just complacently accept the opposite of the the greatness, the the first to do things, the the place where people come from other countries to to find the American dream. We just sort of accept all that is just going to be and then we don't care to know what's going on in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years. We care to not want to know what's going on in our government since, you know, I would say since 19 early 1900s, the how our government has has become what it is today. And you follow those patterns and you see how it got here. And I I do that and it scares the [ __ ] out of me. And you know, it makes going off the grid make way more sense. It's like sometimes I think the Amish had it all figured out and we've just been >> duped into thinking something else.

>> They don't have a lot of autism problems in the community. I know. >> Um >> well, of course I couldn't agree with you more. Uh so we know that there were you believe you know based on years of reporting that there really are it's not just an urban legend criminal cartels at work within the US military. >> Yes. And then, you know, they end up going work for NOS's which are just a different kind of cartel, right? The Blackwaters, the you know, there's there's plenty of NOS's that are doing contract work with ex special operations guys that are doing things that are not, you know, I don't know if they're illegal, but they certainly aren't moral. Um, it's just there's always a pathway for them to take what they did in their time in in the service and monetize it outside. Whether it's starting training companies, whether it's um becoming, you know, starting a firearms company, whether it's MMA gyms, um which were the big that's that was the first vertical was created was the the rise of MMA within the special operations community and Brazilian jiu-jitsu specifically.

Um, you know, there there's there there's always ways there's always money to prop people up, you know, whether it's buying getting somebody who screws up while they're in the military, but they stay loyal to the brand and then they get out and they get a book deal and they write a book with leadership or whatever and all of a sudden it's a New York Times bestseller. Not because the book's good, because there was money behind it. Book purchases of books to spike the the sales like all that happens. And this is how all these guys end up staying quiet for decades because that gravy train through the Seal Foundation, through other organizations, that is how they stay um part of the Brotherhood. Long live the brotherhood, but also financially okay. You know, nobody wants to nobody wants to take that leap and and go against the grain and then risk all of that.

And you have to ask yourself very much like what would cause someone to kill their commander? What would cause somebody to keep quiet about war crimes for 30, 40, 50, 60 years? Like what would keep you quiet? I know I I couldn't be quiet. Like I can't I that I my soul would get eaten to death. Like money, power, community, all those things keep these guys, you know, towing the line. And it's not all of them. I have so many SEALs that are supporting me and quietly telling me just blow it all up because it's the only way it's going to get fixed. Have you had any luck getting the attention of elected officials, the ones who appropriate the money for all of this? >> Um, I've had uh yes, but not of any consequence. Um, I had um my representative at the in the House of Representatives um out of Missouri write a letter requesting that um they take a look at the case. got the go pound sand letter back and Senator McCormack out of Pennsylvania wrote his office wrote a letter, got the same response. I have no faith in the government doing their job.

Um, you know, Pete Hegth, the last thing he texted me in April 23 before he ghosted me was, "If I'm ever in a position to help, I will." >> Well, he's not. >> Did he wind up in a position to help? He kind of did, but you know, Secretary of Defense, >> he controls everything within our military-industrial complex. And, >> you know, I've there has been plenty of conversations with people who are in his sphere who have on my behalf spoken and given offramps for this job's case. You know, this was up until last week there were negotiations happening and I told him Tucker's coming and you know, we need to have if there's going to be a resolution to this in a quiet way then let's get it done cuz if not I'm going with Tucker and that's just happening. So didn't get done. So here we are and uh again it's just a matter of getting his manner of death changed from suicide to something else so that it releases the funds that his family deserves.

>> Have have you spoken to any of his team people who served under him >> from that deployment? Only a couple. Most of them won't talk to me. Um, luckily I have all their statements and you know they're all scripted. Everybody said basically the same thing in every one of those statements. Um, even words like aloof that he was aloof. Now I I have I can count on one finger the number of times that I've used aloof in a sentence. And I certainly don't think Navy Seals collectively use the word aloof when describing another person who might be, you know, forgetful or um whatever. That's just the word that doesn't get used. >> Yeah. Also, describing a commanding officer's aloof is not evidence that he killed himself. >> No. and and you know that I get I I have had you know through hateful emails and threats and telling me that you know the man that I thought I knew is not the man that killed himself. He was changed. He did this and and he was you you don't know what it was like. He was depressed.

He was withdrawn. Okay. I stipulate to that and the evidence shows he was murdered. So, anything you tell me about this contextual Job Price sadness thing has no bearing because actual evidence shows he was murdered. And there is absolutely zero, not a single stitch of evidence that Job committed suicide. No, actual evidence. >> Well, given the context you've laid out, I don't think it sounds crazy that he was killed. >> Well, I appreciate that because I've been called that a lot. Um, unfortunately, >> John Chapman. >> Yes. you made reference to his story, his case. >> What is it? What happened? >> So early in the war, the first major offensive in Afghanistan was um called Operation Anaconda, which uh >> I remember that. >> Yeah. So that there were this was a piece of the operation Anaconda and there was a mountain called Tackergar and um Tim Samansky was the operations officer who planned that mission. You'll see the connectivity there. and uh he got his team, Seal Team 16, to take this mission where they were going to go and put a a basically a wrecky team, a sniper team, reconnaissance um on this mountain, >> but they knew Delta Force, Pete Blabber, who has since turned into a complete

fraud, but um he was the he was the ground force commander of the whole area. Um he knew that they were enemy on that mountain. They they'd seen their movement. They they've been keeping an eye on them. They decided to um do the mission anyways and land on top of the mountain. The original plan, they should have landed lower and then made their way up by foot in order to get the element of surprise. They chose not to do that. They decided to land right on top of the the mountain due to time constraints, I'm told. and uh they get hit by an RPG and uh one of the SEALs on that team was a a six-man team plus John Chapman who was the Air Force combat controller. Um Neil Roberts his name was that fell out the back of the helicopter and the helicopter was going to crash. So the pilot Alan Mack, who's been on a lot of podcasts, um navigated the the the helicopter to a safe area and crash landed. They got picked up, went back to base, got another helicopter, and they were supposed to land down lower again.

And they decided not to do that and land exactly in the same spot that they just got shot down in in order to go rescue Neil Roberts. And >> do they believe he was alive? >> The there would there's always an the assumption you will go with is that he's alive. >> Yes. >> Um turns out he wasn't. Um they actually he fought valiantly. Um I've seen the is the footage of it and they they nearly decapitated him. Um and took all his gear and just savages. Anyways um they land and um they're under heavy fire multiple angles. John was the second one off the helicopter. Um but Slinsky who was the team leader was the first one off and fell. It's kind of because it was by deep snow. So you know that first step's a doozy if you don't know what's underneath you. And uh so he took a header off the back of the helicopter and then John his job as a CCT is to establish communications with assets overhead and coordinate whatever it is they need to coordinate.

So he uh started, you know, you got to get higher ground to have your radios work effectively. So he went up the hill first um through the snow towards gunfire and uh it's called bunker one and bunker two in in in the Medal of Honor packet. Um he assaulted bunker one by himself, killed two bad guys. Brisbinsky followed him up, entered bunker one with him, killed the donkey apparently that was in there, and then they started addressing bunker two, which was um a little bit of ways from that, which had a PKM machine gun, which is a heavy duty 762 uh machine gun. And John gets hit and falls right outside bunker one. And so now it's Brit Leinsky. Um Neil Roberts, they had actually after they uh captured him, the bad guys, they brought him up to this rock outcropping right by bunker one and then beheaded him basically. Um he was laying there and then two other SEALs that had made their way up were fighting this these multiple positions. They determined that it was, you know, untenable and they slid down the side of the mountain leaving Neil and John on the mountain.

So >> Neil had been killed. >> Yes. But >> John had been shot. >> Yes. They they according and again I'm the family me nobody is questioning the decision for self-preservation and and come up with better plan. >> Right. Um the problem was is what happened after for the next 24 years, not necessarily what happened on the mountain that day. Fog of war is real. Things happen. Um no one's really criticizing Brit Sinsky or Seal Team Six for the mission execution just for how they handled it afterwards. Um and we'll really touch on that, but so John ends up waking up or coming to and proceeds to fight by himself um as the QRF, which is Army Rangers, were coming in to rescue everybody and was drawing fire away from the the helicopter that was bringing the Rangers in and ultimately saved 18 of the 23 with his actions and he was killed. Um he actually earned two Medal of Honors.

In reality, he was only given one because the second half of the the part of the story, they ended up classifying the part where he comes to and fights by himself because the Navy didn't want that out there. So, immediately afterwards, um I mean, he's put on Seal Team Six Hall of Fame, which no one's the only nonseal that's up there. Um he gets put in for an Air Force cross um which is the right below the Medal of Honors. It's the highest medal you can get in the Air Force. Um but Slovinsky, uh Kyle Solderberg, and Randy Lowry who were guys on Seal Team Six all wrote statements of facts for that medal about what John did. Um up until the point where they left the mountain, the second half part they didn't witness that was witnessed overhead by the RSR and the AC-130 feed. Um, so John gets his Air Force Cross and for the first few years everything is John's a hero. John's a hero. John's a hero until uh about 2015 when the Air Force might have been 16. The Air Force decides they want to look at all um valorous medals that have been given out because there's very few Air Force Medal of Honors. So the secretary of air force says let's take a look and see if anybody's qualifies for a medal of honor potential. John the name comes up and they review it and definitely deserve a

medal of honor. So a packet was created to and then researched tens of thousands of hours of imagery analysis video pixel tracking uh all kinds of stuff that went into this Medal of Honor. It's not some yay let's just upgrade it. there's you have to be able to prove a that everything that happened is factual and b that it's worthy of the highest medal in our military. Um so they went through this process. The Navy decides Seal Team Six um decides that they're going to try to block it because their guy Pinsky, they put him in for the Medal of Honor three times and it was denied. So John's was getting traction. So they created this narrative called the redbeard theory which is some chin orbi fighter who was actually on the ISR feed John doing what he was doing. They're saying he's this red beard guy that was actually red on red fighting bad guys fighting bad guys in daylight. Um who live on that mountain together for weeks and months at a time and know where every fighting position is on that that ridge line. But that's their theory is that this John didn't come to John died in the first three three to four minutes after taking bunker one when he fell he was dead from PKM fire their their version and that what happened afterwards was this bad guy shooting at his other bad guy buddies.

Um that got debunked the video evidence the they were able to track everybody on the mountain and say who was who and where and where they were. Um, good thing is John didn't leave that area like where where he went down. He was fighting in basically in a phone booth in that spot and that's where he ultimately died as well few feet away from where he initially went down. Um, but the Navy kept pressing and pressing and pressing to block John's Medal of Honor until a deal was struck with the Air Force Secretary and the Navy Secretary that they would attach Prit Sinsk's Medal of Honor to John Chapman's Medal of Honor and they would both get the Medal of Honor. So in 2018, um, they both got their medals, except Brit got his first. So the dead guy didn't get his first. The alive guy got his first because that was one of the agreements that the Navy had requested that because it looks like you're, you know, first place, right? That you're the one getting your medal first means you did the most. And you know, on a surface level, you think about it, they're probably don't want the narrative of we left a man behind because that's counter to what their narrative is every time. We never leave a man behind. Um, and I and for a long time up until the last probably three or four weeks, I just assumed that was the reasoning. Like why would you go to this length to stop uh merit being given to somebody who clearly deserved it?

>> Yes. why would you try to, you know, run his name through the mud all these years later? Like what's the what's the the motivating factor? So, um, John gets his Medal of Honor and everything's fine. Um the family has come to terms with the fact that they're never going to get the full um is John's never going to get his full just due, but there's enough. And as long as nobody's, you know, rubbing their face in it or trying to bismerch him in any way, they were fine. And then the National Medal of Honor Museum opened. There was a grand opening. And leading up to that, members of the board had called the Chapman family and said they wanted to honor John and have him prominent display in the museum. And so for they're getting artifacts together to put in this big display in the museum and shortly couple months before the grand opening Lorie Chapman long for it who was John's sister finds out that there was a change in plans. Nobody notified them that John was not getting a prominent display but Sloinsky was.

So, of course, that turned into a major event within the Chapman family, reopened the wound, pissed them off. Um, museum just kept pushing them away and deflecting and not really addressing the situation. And, uh, I went with her to the grand opening down in Arlington, Texas in March of 25. And, uh, I think it was 25. Everything blends together. But anyways, recently within the last year or so. And uh when you walk into the museum, it's you know it's it's very nice museum, but John has a plaque the size of that screen hanging on the wall and a timeline of Medal of Honor winners. And Brit Leinsky has a room half the size of this, an area of all artifacts about how awesome Brit Slovinsky is. the guy who's alive because of the actions of John Chapman is being celebrated as the hero in that story because the dead guy can't talk.

So that pissed me off and it pissed the family off and it's it it put what was the bed and pulled it pulled the covers off and exposed everything again. So over the years I had known that there's this guy named Mitch Hall who was a SEAL team sex guy um who wants to be famous in Hollywood that he was tasked by Tim Samansky to create a documentary based off of the Redbeard theory on what happened on that mountain. And for years it was just in the the talking about phase. There was no real like public movement with the documentary until recently. And for a long time, Mitch has been trying to get Lori, uh, a guy named Rob Harrison, who was the second guy on the AC-130 overhead, eyewitnessed everything that was going on through the television screens they were watching on. Um, and me to come on and be interviewed for this fake documentary. We respectfully declined. He can't handle that. So, he has to badger and and do all this stuff trying to get us to, you know, under the guise of it, we're just trying to find a truth.

And the the documentary is called the ground truth. We call it the ground spoof. Um but that's that's the working premises. They're re regurgitating the debunked theory that was debunked during the Medal of Honor process, you know, eight years ago. They're trying to bring it and turn it into a documentary. So, um recently Mitch and a guy named Brian Bloom, who was a video game voice guy and a like a bit actor in a soap opera. It's his business partner in this documentary, went on Andy Stump's podcast, Cleared Hot, which is, you know, Andy was a Navy Seal, Seal Team Sex guy. And Mitch spent the better part of 10 hours over the course of three different episodes, they at least released it as literally when asked by Andy Andy Stump whether John Chapman deserved the Medal of Honor. He said no. And running John's name through the mud, running Lorie's name through the mud, John's family through the mud. Um, and produced no evidence. very similar to Job's case where there's no evidence to show what they're saying, but they want you to believe that's what happened. And that video of them coming out and and what they're going to try to paint is in direct conflict with what the truth was that happened that day. and Lori and a

guy named uh Dan Schilling who was a Air Force combat controller wrote a bestselling book called Alone at Dawn which is the true accounts of what happened to John Chapman and she autographed this book for you. >> Thank you. >> And then also wrote a u a memoir about John that she also >> Thanks a lot. >> Wanted to give you. Um, so because they're bullies and because they picked on the dead man and his family, I decided to start digging uh about 3 weeks ago. And luckily through through the course of my relationships that I built over the last seven years, I was able to obtain all the necessary evidence that I need to review still. um all the ISR feed, uncut um the AC-130 feeds, um everything that the the Air Force used to to prove what John did is what John did.

Um I was looking at the autopsy the other day and you know I I'm pretty well verssed and understand what the enemy uses as their primary weapons, which is you know AK-47s, AK74s, PKM machine guns. >> Yep. Not a lot of uh 9 millimeters or 38 specials, you know, during combat for al-Qaeda. Just not something that they >> they're not carrying the 38. >> No, they're not. No wheel guns. Um and I noticed that, you know, John had nine bullet wounds. Um the great thing about forensics, we talked about Job, is that it's science. It's provable that certain things have to happen for certain things to happen. So, in order for John to have been dead in the first four minutes, the wounds that were fatal would have had to have happened first because that's what the story is that the Navy Seals are trying to paint. The reality is is that he had nine wounds.

Seven of them were non-lethal and forensically show that for at least an hour his body was still pumping blood because the wounds presented in a way that showed that there was blood pressure at the time for extended period of time after the wounds were were sustained which means he wasn't dead means he was alive for at least an hour which then correlates with the him getting up and fighting again and then receiving the fatal wounds um from the PM machine which blew up his aorta. Like it was definite lethal wounds. Like you don't get shot um in the aorta 4 minutes in and then get up and fight again. Um and then I was looking at the bullets that were recovered from him. There's a lot of shrapnel. They dropped bombs all around him. The AC130 did. Um, and two of the bullets that were recovered were completely different in size, shape, and alloy than the copper based um 762 rounds that were recovered from his body. And they were small caliber. And there's, you know, no the only people carrying small calibers on that mountain were the were the good guys. There's no reference anywhere in any report of any handguns recovered from the bad guys that were killed on that mountain. So, there's a couple bullets that are in John that I have I

have some questions about. How did they get there? How did a small handgun caliber round wind up in John Chapman's body? And they don't have an answer for that. But I will find an answer to that. What's your thought? >> My thought is I I will show grace and say that there was probably a lot of things happening all at once. >> Yep. >> And people are moving all over the place. Gunfire's coming. There's no like stationary position anybody was in for any length of time in those first four minutes. Cuz the SEALs once they xfilled off the side of the mountain never went back into the fight. They they had guys that were wounded and they were Xfilled. They never re-engaged the enemy. So they their their vantage point is only 4 minutes, four four and a half maybe. Um but during that 4 and 1/2 minutes, John was shot by his own eyes is what I believe. And I'm going to say not intentionally because I don't I don't believe because of where the wounds were, they were in his legs, the back of his legs, that they they have to have been unintentional. Who's firing a handgun in a firefight?

>> Well, they're in a bunker, so I don't know if, you know, they're in the middle of a, you know, 20 in 22 in of snow and, you know, automatic weapons are going to malfunction and maybe they had to transition to to a sidearm. you know, they carry 226s, SIG 226s, but I have uh I've spoken to several people who were involved in the pre-eployment workup where conversations were had uh between uh trainers and um Brit Sinsky and John Chapman because Brit Sinsky told John Chapman not to carry a handgun because of the weight of the things he was going to have to carry, the radios and all that stuff and not to carry a handgun. John didn't think that was tactically sound. So he went and talked to the trainers and said, you know, what are your thoughts? Should I? Shouldn't I? And uh they're like, "Yes, you definitely should have you always should have a handgun with you just in case something malfunctions. You have another opportunity to to put um lead down range." And then Slavinsky entered the conversation and was arguing as to why handguns aren't needed. And when he was told about the the Vietnam era SEALs carrying wheel guns back then, I think was the um model 66 Taurus I think is what they were carrying back then >> in 357 >> and 38. They carried both. um

he was enamored by that the idea of doing what the the old school seals did. And you know, tactically speaking, a wheel gun is going to work pretty much in any environment. You know, as long as you can pull the trigger, it's going to go bang if there's a bullet in there. And uh so it would make sense that maybe he carried it. I don't have any direct knowledge that he did carry a 38 or 357, but I I do know that he was carrying a a SIG 226 at least um cuz that's what they were issued and John was carrying a SIG 226. Um John Chapman is an American hero. Uh Ron Howard is putting out a movie in December of 27 called Alone at Dawn. um featuring uh Adam Driver as John Chapman and Hathaways playing some amalgamation of multiple people that were part of the Medal of Honor review process for the Air Force. Um and then you have to ask yourself, why would a group of people be so hellbent 24 years later to destroy the Chapman family and the legacy of John Chapman? what what what could have happened so egregious that would cause that much iron and anger for someone to to want to do that again over and over. I mean, this is over the course of 24 years, five, six times that this is this wound's been reopened.

And initially, I thought it's because they left a man behind and they're just too egotistical and narcissistic and they they can't allow for that to be their their identifying action from that mission. But now that I found these bullets in John Chapman, maybe I think that's what they're covering up. I don't know. I'm going to find out though. >> Why would they shoot him? >> I don't think it was intentional. I just think it happened. And I think the fact that someone cuz I don't, as far as I know, based on everybody I've talked to, nobody's looked at his autopsy with any like trying to figure anything out. But it's very clear to me that something doesn't fit. And you know, that's how I started with Job. Something didn't look right. Something didn't feel right. My gut says this, something doesn't look right with that autopsy. There's no there's no justification as to how those handgun rounds ended up in John's body because he was being shot at by a 762 machine gun.

And the guys that were in the bunker had AK-47s. So, where did these these rounds come from? So, >> that's the thing I think they're they're scared about, >> and that's why it's worth it for them to ruin their own reputation in order to protect that information from coming out. That's what it seems like to me. >> How long are you going to continue on the trail of corruption in elite military units? >> I I don't want to do it at all. Um, you know, I'm going to see Job's case through. Um, and now that I'm I'm directly involved in in the Chapman case, I'm going to see that one through. But there is zero interest for me. Oops. Sorry about that. The interest for me to go after anyone else. Like, I'm not investigating anybody else. Never did. I didn't investigate Rob O'Neal or any of the other famous SEALs or any other SEAL for that matter that was involved in any potential crime or cover up. Um, and I don't want to, but I don't like bullies. I don't like liars. I don't like people who hurt other people intentionally um, in order to serve their own best interests.

And as long as Brit Leinsky, oh, I didn't even mention this. Brit Leinsky is on the board of the National Medal of Honor Museum and he's the president of the national uh of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society. So, a Medal of Honor recipient who is at the top of the food chain of of an organization meant to protect the integrity of the Medal of Honor recipients and the Medal of Honor itself is publicly saying that the guy that saved his life on that mountain that day, who also received the Medal of Honor, did not earn it. publicly. How does somebody remain on the board? Charlotte Jones, Jerry Jones's daughter, is the president or CEO of the of the museum down in Arlington. She should demand that Britain step down from any role within that that organization. The Medal of Honor Society should have him step down and stripped of his title of president of that society. He's a president of a company of a nonprofit called Turbo Vets. Um there was a recent incident between him and a guy named Eric Deming who was a SEAL. Great guy. We've become very good friends.

It was a vet influencer type conference and Britt was speaking about how do we honor our dead was the topic of his talk. Eric went recorded a an exchange with Britt where he stood up introduced himself introduced him actually before the event. He introduced himself to Brit and said, "Hey, you know, while we're in the topic of honoring our dead, can you name off the seven guys that died that day on the mountain Rangers and John Chapman and Neil Har and Neil Roberts?" And he couldn't. And then he lost his mind screaming, "Fuck you." Got in Eric's face and it's all on video. Um, and then Jason Redmond, who was another Navy Seal who was injured in an um, I don't want to say assaulted, but Eric's wife was wearing one of those badge lanyard badges for as an attendee, and he her name was facing inward, so no, he couldn't see who she was. So he grabbed her chest and the the lanyard badge and flipped it around and said, "Now I know who you are." This is another seagull um who was there with Brett Sinsky. So Brett Sinsky is unstable.

I think he has a lot of guilt and I think he's um unraveling. And if I were his handler, I would make sure he goes into treatment and gets the help that he needs. And I would certainly have no affiliation with anything to do with the Medal of Honor. And the fact that, you know, no one is calling for that yet. And there's there's a lot of people, Congress, there's a lot of people involved that are unhappy with what's happened in the last three weeks with this documentary uh with Mitch Hall and Bris Leinsky's losing his crap with Eric Deming. They're very unhappy because it's bringing a negative light to the Medal of Honor itself. Just think about it. Every Medal of Honor from here on out now that this is a big public thing is going to be it's like Barry Bonds with steroids. like there's just going to be an asterisk and that's unfortunate and it was avoidable. You know, had they just and and I hate to take it back to the museum display, but had they just did the right thing? Museums are meant for the people who can't talk anymore.

They're meant to remember those who are no longer here. If they would have just given John his display as promised, I would guarantee we wouldn't be sitting here. >> Yeah. Well, when everything becomes corrupt, everything becomes corrupt. >> It's a fact. >> Matt, thank you for that. You're welcome. >> Painful topic. I think you handled it responsibly, and I'm grateful that you did.