The ‘Dexter’ copycat who botched his own plan

A word of warning: A word of warning: This podcast This podcast This podcast explores graphic explores graphic explores graphic and disturbing stories, and disturbing stories, and disturbing stories, and contains and contains and contains foul language foul language . Therefore, it may not be . Therefore, it may not be . Therefore, it may not be suitable for our suitable for our suitable for our younger listeners or younger listeners or younger listeners or others who others who others who may find it may find it may find it disturbing. Welcome to disturbing. Welcome to disturbing. Welcome to True Crime News, a podcast True Crime News, a podcast True Crime News, a podcast that that that highlights high-profile and highlights high-profile and highlights high-profile and little-known cases from little-known cases from little-known cases from across the country every week. I'm your across the country every week. I'm your across the country every week. I'm your host, Anna Garcia. host, Anna Garcia. host, Anna Garcia. Our case this Our case this Our case this week: He set up a week: He set up a week: He set up a murder room murder room murder room inspired by inspired by inspired by the TV series the TV series Dexter and Dexter and Dexter and managed to kill his managed to kill his managed to kill his victims, victims, victims, police say. But when police say. But when police say. But when he started he started he started dismembering her dismembering her dismembering her body, he cut his body, he cut his body, he cut his own hand, and while he own hand, and while he own hand, and while he may not have valued may not have valued may not have valued anyone's life, he anyone's life, he anyone's life, he definitely loved his own and definitely loved his own and definitely loved his own and called the police for called the police for called the police for help. So just help. So just help. So just watch this watch this watch this police video where police video where police video where they try to they try to they try to patch him up and he patch him up and he patch him up and he claims he was claims he was claims he was attacked by a fox. I attacked by a fox. I attacked by a fox. I 'll be honest, your 'll be honest, your 'll be honest, your story isn't entirely story isn't entirely story isn't entirely true true . . . I know. I know. I know. Sorry, I just Sorry, I just Sorry, I just want to ask want to ask want to ask a few additional a few additional a few additional questions. questions. questions. Get off your ass. Did Get off your ass. Did Get off your ass. Did this really happen? this really happen? this really happen? I said I didn't know. I said I didn't know. I said I didn't know. If a fox If a fox If a fox had just tried to bite had just tried to bite had just tried to bite your hand off, wouldn't you your hand off, wouldn't you your hand off, wouldn't you know where it happened know where it happened ? Hours ? Hours ? Hours after he after he after he was taken to the hospital, was taken to the hospital, was taken to the hospital, police arrested police arrested police arrested him on suspicion of him on suspicion of him on suspicion of murder, and murder, and murder, and he has since pleaded he has since pleaded he has since pleaded guilty. We record guilty. We record guilty. We record this on Friday, October 9, this on Friday, October 9, this on Friday, October 9, 2026. Our guest 2026. Our guest 2026. Our guest today is Mike King, today is Mike King, today is Mike King, host of host of Profiling Evil.

Profiling Evil. Profiling Evil. Mike is also a well-known Mike is also a well-known Mike is also a well-known cult investigator who is cult investigator who is cult investigator who is about to go about to go about to go on a talk called " on a talk called " the psychology of cults," the psychology of cults," the psychology of cults," which we'll talk about which we'll talk about which we'll talk about later in the program. later in the program. later in the program. Mike, Mike, Mike, welcome back. How are welcome back. How are welcome back. How are you? you? you? I'm fine, Anna, I'm fine, Anna, I'm fine, Anna, and thank you so much to you and thank you so much to you and thank you so much to you and the team for and the team for and the team for letting me letting me letting me come back and come back and come back and chat with chat with chat with you for a minute. you for a minute. you for a minute. Oh, you're a Oh, you're a Oh, you're a fan favorite. Everyone fan favorite. Everyone fan favorite. Everyone likes to hear from likes to hear from likes to hear from you. It's like we're you. It's like we're you. It's like we're talking about the talking about the talking about the most horrible things, most horrible things, most horrible things, but you have such a but you have such a but you have such a soothing voice soothing voice soothing voice and such a style. So and such a style. So and such a style. So somehow it all works out. somehow it all works out. somehow it all works out. I...I think it's probably I...I think it's probably I...I think it's probably because of all that prison because of all that prison because of all that prison lasagna during my lasagna during my lasagna during my career with prisoners. career with prisoners. career with prisoners. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know that I didn't know that I didn't know that prisoners were given prisoners were given prisoners were given lasagna. lasagna. lasagna. Oh, yeah, but it Oh, yeah, but it Oh, yeah, but it never had any never had any never had any real good real good real good food, so... food, so... Good to know. Good Good to know. Good to know. And we to know. And we to know. And we hope to hope to hope to say, you know, say, you know, say, you know, he's not going to get he's not going to get he's not going to get lasagna, the guy lasagna, the guy lasagna, the guy who just pleaded who just pleaded who just pleaded guilty in this guilty in this guilty in this case. This thing is case. This thing is case. This thing is crazy. When I crazy. When I crazy. When I found it, I said to found it, I said to found it, I said to Will, “We really Will, “We really Will, “We really need to get need to get need to get this thing out there because it’s this thing out there because it’s this thing out there because it’s …Of course, it’s …Of course, it’s …Of course, it’s very disturbing, but this is very disturbing, but this is very disturbing, but this is n’t the first time that n’t the first time that n’t the first time that the show “Dexter the show “Dexter ,” right, has inspired copycat ,” right, has inspired copycat killers.

And in this case, And in this case, you know, you have a killer you know, you have a killer obsessed with Dexter obsessed with Dexter who just confessed who just confessed who just confessed to killing a woman to to killing a woman to to killing a woman to fulfill this sick fulfill this sick fulfill this sick fantasy inspired by the fantasy inspired by the fantasy inspired by the TV TV TV show. How show. How show. How crazy is this? crazy is this? You know, this whole thing is You know, this whole thing is really disturbing because really disturbing because really disturbing because it really it really it really helps us helps us helps us understand this process that you understand this process that you understand this process that you and I have talked about so and I have talked about so and I have talked about so many times many times many times on this show, on this show, on this show, and that is the idea of ​​fantasy and the and that is the idea of ​​fantasy and the and that is the idea of ​​fantasy and the role that fantasy role that fantasy role that fantasy plays in these plays in these plays in these criminal cases criminal cases . And you can see it . And you can see it . And you can see it growing. I growing. I growing. I mean, and you know, there are mean, and you know, there are mean, and you know, there are legitimate kinds of legitimate kinds of legitimate kinds of fantasies. There are legitimate fantasies. There are legitimate role models, and some role models, and some of them make you of them make you of them make you blink twice, blink twice, blink twice, you know? When you you know? When you you know? When you drive past drive past drive past Comic-Con and watch Comic-Con and watch Comic-Con and watch people walking back and people walking back and people walking back and forth in front of the forth in front of the San Diego Convention Center or some San Diego Convention Center or some place like that, you place like that, you place like that, you think, “Holy crap think, “Holy crap , people…” to be so , people…” to be so , people…” to be so excited and so excited and so excited and so invested in a invested in a invested in a character. “But when character. “But when character. “But when it starts it starts it starts to turn into a to turn into a to turn into a character character character committing violence, it committing violence, it committing violence, it really gets really gets really gets scary.

scary. scary. Yes, that's true. Yes, that's true. Yes, that's true. This case is This case is This case is not actually in England and not actually in England and not actually in England and concerns the community of concerns the community of concerns the community of Tividale Sandwell. And the Tividale Sandwell. And the Tividale Sandwell. And the nearest big nearest big nearest big city would be city would be city would be Birmingham. And everything about Birmingham. And everything about Birmingham. And everything about this accused this accused this accused murderer in this case is murderer in this case is murderer in this case is as creepy as creepy as creepy and disturbing and disturbing and disturbing as it gets. as it gets. The accused, who The accused, who is now a convicted is now a convicted is now a convicted murderer, is 20 years old, a murderer, is 20 years old, a murderer, is 20 years old, a student at the College of student at the College of student at the College of Forensic Medicine Forensic Medicine Forensic Medicine studying studying studying forensics, and forensics, and forensics, and his name is Benjamin his name is Benjamin his name is Benjamin Day. According to Day. According to Day. According to police, he was 19 police, he was 19 police, he was 19 years old when the years old when the years old when the murder was committed. murder was committed. murder was committed. The victim was actually The victim was actually a stranger to him, just a stranger to him, just someone who could be someone who could be someone who could be killed. killed. killed. Maria Ceceno, 24, a sex Maria Ceceno, 24, a sex worker he worker he worker he hired for the sole purpose hired for the sole purpose hired for the sole purpose of murdering and... Police of murdering and... Police of murdering and... Police say sex was not say sex was not say sex was not what Benjamin what Benjamin what Benjamin Day wanted, and there was no Day wanted, and there was no Day wanted, and there was no indication, police say, of indication, police say, of sexual assault sexual assault sexual assault as part of this as part of this as part of this murder. And police murder. And police murder. And police say the murder say the murder say the murder took place in an Airbnb room took place in an Airbnb room that that that Benjamin rented, which Benjamin rented, which Benjamin rented, which he then converted into a he then converted into a he then converted into a murder chamber.

murder chamber. He took plastic He took plastic sheeting and attached sheeting and attached sheeting and attached it to the walls. He covered it to the walls. He covered it to the walls. He covered the bed. He covered the bed. He covered the bed. He covered the floor and again, the floor and again, the floor and again, inspired..." show. inspired..." show. Yes, and you know, I want to Yes, and you know, I want to go back to the very go back to the very go back to the very first thing first thing first thing I mentioned when I I mentioned when I I mentioned when I joined you, which is the joined you, which is the joined you, which is the important role important role that fantasy that fantasy that fantasy plays in some of plays in some of plays in some of these crimes, because what these crimes, because what these crimes, because what you can you can you can see here is that see here is that see here is that he visualizes it in a he visualizes it in a he visualizes it in a television television television program. He starts to program. He starts to program. He starts to think about it. He think about it. He think about it. He starts to fantasize starts to fantasize starts to fantasize and you can see and you can see and you can see those predator motors those predator motors those predator motors really starting really starting really starting to work and the victim, to work and the victim, to work and the victim, Maria, unfortunately just Maria, unfortunately just Maria, unfortunately just becomes a stage becomes a stage becomes a stage prop in this whole prop in this whole prop in this whole story and if there's story and if there's story and if there's any consolation for her any consolation for her any consolation for her lovely family who are lovely family who are lovely family who are probably still probably still probably still grieving, it's that grieving, it's that grieving, it's that it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't directed at her. It directed at her. It directed at her. It was a sick person was a sick person was a sick person who was using who was using who was using her as a stage her as a stage her as a stage prop. But you know, do prop. But you know, do prop. But you know, do n't you think, n't you think, n't you think, Anna, when she Anna, when she Anna, when she walked through the door, walked through the door, walked through the door, and they later and they later and they later threw this idea at her, threw this idea at her, threw this idea at her, that maybe this was all that maybe this was all that maybe this was all just going to be a just going to be a just going to be a fantasy as part of the fantasy as part of the fantasy as part of the TikTok movie. What TikTok movie. What TikTok movie. What made her made her made her stay when she stay when she stay when she walked into that room?

walked into that room? walked into that room? I don't know. I I don't know. I I don't know. I mean, I think as an mean, I think as an mean, I think as an experienced, you know, experienced, you know, experienced, you know, sex worker, sex worker, sex worker, escort, maybe escort, maybe escort, maybe she's she's she's seen a lot in her time. seen a lot in her time. seen a lot in her time. although she was quite although she was quite although she was quite young. She must have young. She must have young. She must have seen all sorts of strange seen all sorts of strange seen all sorts of strange things. So the question is, as things. So the question is, as things. So the question is, as you said, you know, you said, you know, you said, you know, what her first what her first what her first reaction was: Okay, what is this? reaction was: Okay, what is this? Is this a role-playing game? You know, I don't think You know, I don't think most people most people most people walk into a room and walk into a room and walk into a room and their first thought is their first thought is their first thought is n't usually, "Oh my n't usually, "Oh my n't usually, "Oh my God, I'm going to get killed in here." God, I'm going to get killed in here." God, I'm going to get killed in here." Although we can Although we can Although we can awaken our awaken our awaken our spider sense and spider sense and spider sense and say, "Oh, say, "Oh, say, "Oh, something really bad is going to happen here something really bad is going to happen here something really bad is going to happen here ." And it ." And it ." And it could very well have happened because could very well have happened because could very well have happened because she had all these she had all these she had all these protective wounds. So at protective wounds. So at protective wounds. So at some point she some point she some point she bounced off and we don't bounced off and we don't bounced off and we don't know how long it's know how long it's know how long it's been since been since been since she got there? Was there she got there? Was there any any communication? We do communication? We do communication? We do n't know this, except that n't know this, except that n't know this, except that she was fighting for she was fighting for she was fighting for her life. So, um, her life. So, um, her life. So, um, yeah, it's a really yeah, it's a really yeah, it's a really incredible scene, and incredible scene, and incredible scene, and it's so captivating.

it's so captivating. We'll hear from We'll hear from one of the one of the one of the investigators a little later. You know, investigators a little later. You know, investigators a little later. You know, experienced investigators experienced investigators experienced investigators were very traumatized by were very traumatized by were very traumatized by this case and what this case and what this case and what they saw, they saw, they saw, because of the condition of her body, the because of the condition of her body, the because of the condition of her body, the room. Again, room. Again, room. Again, the police were used to the police were used to the police were used to seeing different things, seeing different things, seeing different things, but this was something but this was something but this was something unlike anything they had unlike anything they had unlike anything they had ever seen. ever seen. Yes, and the investigator in me, Yes, and the investigator in me, um, and I spend um, and I spend um, and I spend a lot of time a lot of time a lot of time examining examining examining crime scenes after an event, crime scenes after an event, crime scenes after an event, trying trying trying to understand the behavior to understand the behavior to understand the behavior behind them. And behind them. And behind them. And eventually you eventually you eventually you go in and kind of go in and kind of wallow in the mud vicariously, wallow in the mud vicariously, sitting in a corner, and sitting in a corner, and sitting in a corner, and you try to imagine, you try to imagine, you try to imagine, based on the physical based on the physical based on the physical evidence that you see and evidence that you see and evidence that you see and other information that other information that other information that you start to get you start to get you start to get during the during the during the investigation, investigation, investigation, you try to understand you try to understand what's going on. But what's going on. But , but I have so , but I have so , but I have so many questions. many questions.

For example, I would like to For example, I would like to know what her know what her know what her physical build was, what physical build was, what physical build was, what her height and weight were, her height and weight were, her height and weight were, how she matched how she matched how she matched his height and weight; his height and weight; his height and weight; because it makes because it makes because it makes me wonder if there me wonder if there me wonder if there was, um, some was, um, some was, um, some connection where he connection where he connection where he somehow got somehow got somehow got her into a her into a her into a position where he could position where he could position where he could inflict so much inflict so much inflict so much trauma on her body, um, trauma on her body, um, trauma on her body, um, even when she, um, even when she, um, even when she, um, eventually fought back, and eventually fought back, and eventually fought back, and had these reflexive had these reflexive had these reflexive movements and defensive wounds, movements and defensive wounds, movements and defensive wounds, um, somehow this um, somehow this um, somehow this guy had to gain guy had to gain guy had to gain control of her to control of her to control of her to do that, and he does do that, and he does do that, and he does n't. n't. It looks so It looks so big when big when big when you see the image on you see the image on you see the image on TV. TV. TV. No, he doesn't look. No, he doesn't look. No, he doesn't look. He doesn't look. But He doesn't look. But He doesn't look. But he did, uh, he did, uh, he did, uh, according to the autopsy, according to the autopsy, according to the autopsy, he, when he stabbed her in the he, when he stabbed her in the he, when he stabbed her in the neck, when he stabbed neck, when he stabbed neck, when he stabbed her in the neck, he her in the neck, he her in the neck, he hit an artery, and that hit an artery, and that hit an artery, and that killed her. In total, killed her. In total, killed her. In total, approximately 78 stab approximately 78 stab approximately 78 stab wounds, she wounds, she wounds, she was already dead. So it was already dead. So it was already dead. So it was either he was just was either he was just was either he was just furious, or the beginning of an furious, or the beginning of an furious, or the beginning of an attempt to dismember attempt to dismember attempt to dismember her. This is really unclear.

her. This is really unclear. her. This is really unclear. But 78 stab But 78 stab But 78 stab wounds didn't kill her. wounds didn't kill her. wounds didn't kill her. This stab wound to an This stab wound to an This stab wound to an artery in her neck artery in her neck artery in her neck led to her death led to her death . . . And, and you know, Anna, it's so And, and you know, Anna, it's so And, and you know, Anna, it's so hard to kill someone, and hard to kill someone, and hard to kill someone, and I'm just talking about having I'm just talking about having I'm just talking about having interacted with these interacted with these interacted with these predators who predators who predators who do it. Imagine do it. Imagine do it. Imagine how much effort it took how much effort it took how much effort it took to to to do that 78 times. And do that 78 times. And do that 78 times. And I thought about this, as I thought about this, as I thought about this, as I was preparing for our I was preparing for our conversation today, I remembered a predator named Troy predator named Troy Cal that I was Cal that I was Cal that I was forced to watch and a forced to watch and a forced to watch and a video of him stabbing video of him stabbing video of him stabbing another inmate in a another inmate in a another inmate in a Utah prison. Utah prison. Utah prison. He stabbed him. 70 or He stabbed him. 70 or He stabbed him. 70 or 80 times. He 80 times. He 80 times. He literally stopped literally stopped literally stopped halfway, halfway, halfway, caught his breath, caught his breath, caught his breath, bent over, and put his hands bent over, and put his hands bent over, and put his hands on his knees. Um, this on his knees. Um, this on his knees. Um, this wasn't an instant event, wasn't an instant event, wasn't an instant event, and this poor young and this poor young and this poor young woman must have woman must have woman must have suffered for a suffered for a suffered for a long time. And this is long time. And this is long time. And this is probably too probably too probably too figurative to figurative to figurative to talk about, but these are talk about, but these are talk about, but these are the memories that come to me the memories that come to me the memories that come to me when I when I when I think about this case.

think about this case. think about this case. This is the reality of the This is the reality of the This is the reality of the situation. You know, what situation. You know, what situation. You know, what happened to Maria happened to Maria happened to Maria was terrible. It was was terrible. It was was terrible. It was terrible. And I don't know, you terrible. And I don't know, you terrible. And I don't know, you know, I'm not know, I'm not know, I'm not sure if I'm sure if I'm sure if I'm comforted by the fact that she comforted by the fact that she comforted by the fact that she was chosen at random or by the fact that was chosen at random or by the fact that was chosen at random or by the fact that she was she was she was targeted, which she targeted, which she targeted, which she wasn't. The police say wasn't. The police say wasn't. The police say she was chosen at random she was chosen at random , but it's still , but it's still , but it's still terrible. This is all terrible. This is all terrible. This is all terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. And you know, it terrible. And you know, it terrible. And you know, it adds a level of adds a level of adds a level of preparation, because it preparation, because it preparation, because it was definitely was definitely planned in advance. I know planned in advance. I know England has a different England has a different England has a different justice system, but, justice system, but, justice system, but, you know, ours you know, ours you know, ours is based on theirs, is based on theirs, is based on theirs, so there's a lot in so there's a lot in so there's a lot in common in terms of common in terms of premeditated premeditated murder and the different murder and the different murder and the different levels. It was the levels. It was the levels. It was the fact that he was so fact that he was so fact that he was so passionate about this passionate about this passionate about this character. The room character. The room character. The room didn't just didn't just didn't just match the color, did match the color, did match the color, did it? But this is the it? But this is the it? But this is the most incredible thing. He is wearing an most incredible thing. He is wearing an most incredible thing. He is wearing an olive olive green green green long-sleeved Henley shirt. long-sleeved Henley shirt. long-sleeved Henley shirt. You know, the kind that has You know, the kind that has You know, the kind that has buttons that buttons that buttons that come right down from the come right down from the come right down from the collar. You collar. You collar. You know exactly what I'm know exactly what I'm know exactly what I'm talking about.

talking about. talking about. Yes. Yes. It matches the It matches the same shirt, the same shirt, the same shirt, the T-shirt, that T-shirt, that T-shirt, that the character Dexter wears. This is what the character Dexter wears. This is what the character Dexter wears. This is what he was wearing when he was wearing when he was wearing when he was he was he was arrested. This is something arrested. This is something arrested. This is something more. more. You know, it's really You know, it's really scary because you scary because you scary because you go back to this go back to this go back to this concept of fantasy concept of fantasy concept of fantasy and the enthusiasm and the enthusiasm that he must have that he must have that he must have felt getting ready, felt getting ready, felt getting ready, putting on that shirt, putting on that shirt, putting on that shirt, buying it, looking for buying it, looking for buying it, looking for it on the internet. Each it on the internet. Each it on the internet. Each of these shirts is of these shirts is of these shirts is incredibly captivating incredibly captivating , and I remember , and I remember , and I remember sitting with sitting with sitting with John Douglas and John Douglas and John Douglas and Greg Cooper one time Greg Cooper one time Greg Cooper one time talking about these talking about these talking about these predators, and I was predators, and I was predators, and I was wondering early in wondering early in wondering early in my career my career my career whether it was whether it was whether it was sexually sexually sexually motivated or not. motivated or not. They said over and over again They said over and over again that the very act of what that the very act of what that the very act of what they were they were they were experiencing in their experiencing in their experiencing in their minds was minds was minds was so stimulating so stimulating so stimulating that it was better. than that it was better. than any drug any drug any drug they could take they could take they could take for such predators for such predators for such predators who spend who spend who spend so much time so much time so much time concentrating, concentrating, concentrating, planning, planning, planning, preparing and preparing and preparing and rehearsing, and then rehearsing, and then rehearsing, and then finally being able to finally being able to finally being able to act it out.

act it out. Yes. Yes, they are Yes. Yes, they are stimulated by this. stimulated by this. stimulated by this. They are excited, They are excited, They are excited, completely excited. completely excited. Benjamin studied Benjamin studied criminology at criminology at criminology at the University of Worcester the University of Worcester , and while there is , and while there is , and while there is little information little information little information about his personal or about his personal or about his personal or family life online, family life online, he does he does not appear to have a not appear to have a not appear to have a criminal record, according to the West Midlands Police Department. So my criminal record, according to the West Midlands Police Department. So my criminal record, according to the West Midlands Police Department. So my question to you, question to you, question to you, Mike: given the Mike: given the Mike: given the preparation, preparation, preparation, given what given what given what happened in that room happened in that room happened in that room and how it was and how it was and how it was prepared, and all of that prepared, and all of that prepared, and all of that , honestly, up until the , honestly, up until the , honestly, up until the point where point where point where this idiot cut his this idiot cut his this idiot cut his hand, um, I'm not saying hand, um, I'm not saying hand, um, I'm not saying he could have gotten away with it he could have gotten away with it , because obviously he , because obviously he , because obviously he rented a room, rented a room, rented a room, hey; after all, hey; after all, hey; after all, even if he even if he even if he did it with a phone did it with a phone - bang, hello. Um, - bang, hello. Um, - bang, hello. Um, my question to you is: my question to you is: my question to you is: do you think this is the do you think this is the do you think this is the first time? first time? You know, this is really You know, this is really interesting. I don't know. What I do interesting. I don't know. What I do interesting. I don't know. What I do know is that I know is that I know is that I watched all of watched all of watched all of this and watched it this and watched it this and watched it unfold.

unfold. Towards the end, um, Towards the end, um, it reminds me of the it reminds me of the it reminds me of the principle, um, the idea that principle, um, the idea that principle, um, the idea that they go in very, um, they go in very, um, they go in very, um, prepared, that prepared, that prepared, that they're, um, they're, um, they're, um, in control and in control and in control and understand everything. They, they dot the understand everything. They, they dot the understand everything. They, they dot the i i . It bonds . It bonds . It bonds plastic. He does plastic. He does plastic. He does everything perfectly until he everything perfectly until he everything perfectly until he starts acting out the starts acting out the starts acting out the actual murder. And actual murder. And actual murder. And then all the fantasies then all the fantasies then all the fantasies disappear, because disappear, because reality is never reality is never as cool as cool as cool as fantasy, and everything as fantasy, and everything as fantasy, and everything starts to fall apart. starts to fall apart. And the way he And the way he falls apart, I falls apart, I falls apart, I think, suggests that think, suggests that think, suggests that this is probably this is probably this is probably one of the times, one of the times, one of the times, if not the first, if not the first, if not the first, because he hasn't because he hasn't because he hasn't worked through these worked through these worked through these emotions yet. He did not emotions yet. He did not emotions yet. He did not go through this go through this go through this process of coming into what process of coming into what process of coming into what we would call an we would call an we would call an organized state organized state ; all the preparation, ; all the preparation, ; all the preparation, the planning, getting the planning, getting the planning, getting her there, everything works her there, everything works her there, everything works perfectly, and then, perfectly, and then, perfectly, and then, suddenly, or after suddenly, or after suddenly, or after the fact, I personally the fact, I personally the fact, I personally think, during the actual think, during the actual think, during the actual stabbing, that's probably stabbing, that's probably when he actually when he actually when he actually cut himself and...

cut himself and... cut himself and... Oh, yeah... he Oh, yeah... he cut his hand, because it's cut his hand, because it's just slippery just slippery just slippery stuff, hmm, then he stuff, hmm, then he stuff, hmm, then he goes from being goes from being goes from being organized organized organized to completely to completely to completely disorganized. disorganized. Then he starts Then he starts running around, running around, running around, thinking, "I can't." thinking, "I can't." thinking, "I can't." take your car take your car take your car to the hospital. I must to the hospital. I must to the hospital. I must remain anonymous remain anonymous . I will walk along the road . I will walk along the road . I mean, he... . I mean, he... we already know that he we already know that he we already know that he planned to drive 20 planned to drive 20 planned to drive 20 miles from his home miles from his home miles from his home to where he committed the to where he committed the to where he committed the murder. So, murder. So, murder. So, he has all this he has all this he has all this preparation. And then preparation. And then preparation. And then everything collapses. And, uh, everything collapses. And, uh, everything collapses. And, uh, so you're not at all so you're not at all so you're not at all surprised by the fact that either surprised by the fact that either surprised by the fact that either that fox-rabbit or that fox-rabbit or that fox-rabbit or that stupid dog that stupid dog that stupid dog bit him with a bit him with a bit him with a trauma that trauma that trauma that doesn't even remotely resemble a doesn't even remotely resemble a doesn't even remotely resemble a dog bite. dog bite. Yes, I really... Yes, I really... He has no He has no He has no answers. He has answers. He has answers. He has no plays. no plays. no plays. Yes. Yes. Yes. He's like...I don't know. He's like...I don't know. He's like...I don't know. I don't know. These are his I don't know. These are his I don't know. These are his answers. For some reason... answers. For some reason... For a young For a young For a young man who is supposedly man who is supposedly man who is supposedly quite intelligent, everything is quite intelligent, everything is quite intelligent, everything is completely falling apart. completely falling apart. He didn't have He didn't have any movements, I would any movements, I would any movements, I would say. His victim, say. His victim, say. His victim, Maria, was originally from Maria, was originally from Maria, was originally from Romania and Romania and Romania and worked as worked as worked as an escort and sex an escort and sex worker who worker who worker who listed herself on a listed herself on a listed herself on a local website, local website, local website, according to a according to a according to a report by Scar City report by Scar City report by Scar City Studios. According to the Studios. According to the Studios. According to the forensic forensic forensic expert, the expert, the expert, the fatal blow, as fatal blow, as fatal blow, as I said, hit an I said, hit an I said, hit an artery in...the neck. Plus artery in...the neck. Plus artery in...the neck. Plus , you know, she , you know, she , you know, she had defensive wounds.

had defensive wounds. The police figured out what was The police figured out what was really really really going on going on going on thanks to two different, what thanks to two different, what thanks to two different, what I would call, I would call, I would call, crime scenes. Because I crime scenes. Because I crime scenes. Because I consider the place where they consider the place where they consider the place where they found Benjamin found Benjamin found Benjamin and interacted with him to be a and interacted with him to be a and interacted with him to be a crime scene, because crime scene, because crime scene, because they didn't they didn't they didn't know it at the time, but know it at the time, but know it at the time, but this guy was this guy was eventually arrested a eventually arrested a eventually arrested a few hours later on few hours later on few hours later on suspicion of murder. The suspicion of murder. The actual actual crime scene, ahem, was the crime scene, ahem, was the crime scene, ahem, was the room that was room that was room that was being rented, and a neighbor being rented, and a neighbor being rented, and a neighbor saw a trail of blood coming from the saw a trail of blood coming from the saw a trail of blood coming from the room up the stairs room up the stairs room up the stairs and reported it to and reported it to and reported it to the landlord. Good. the landlord. Good. This blood, oddly enough, This blood, oddly enough, was mostly was mostly was mostly Benjamin's, because Benjamin's, because Benjamin's, because he, you know, I don't know he, you know, I don't know he, you know, I don't know if he cut off if he cut off if he cut off his finger, but, you know, his finger, but, you know, his finger, but, you know, he definitely bled he definitely bled he definitely bled so much that he had to so much that he had to so much that he had to go go go to the hospital. So, he to the hospital. So, he to the hospital. So, he cut his hand cut his hand cut his hand trying to stab trying to stab trying to stab Maria. And, for the sake of Maria. And, for the sake of Maria. And, for the sake of self-preservation, he self-preservation, he self-preservation, he only cares about only cares about only cares about himself. He doesn't respect himself. He doesn't respect himself. He doesn't respect anyone's life but anyone's life but anyone's life but his own, does he his own, does he his own, does he ? Incredibly ? Incredibly ? Incredibly selfish.

selfish. selfish. Incredibly Incredibly Incredibly selfish, this selfish, this selfish, this fool. So then he fool. So then he fool. So then he turns turns turns to doctors to doctors to doctors and the police for help. His and the police for help. His and the police for help. His story is crazy. story is crazy. story is crazy. So, he has some So, he has some So, he has some means. So, he knows means. So, he knows means. So, he knows enough to leave the enough to leave the enough to leave the scene of the crime and scene of the crime and scene of the crime and call call call their version of, you know, their version of, you know, their version of, you know, 911. And so when he 911. And so when he 911. And so when he meets meets meets the police, nothing the police, nothing the police, nothing makes sense because he makes sense because he makes sense because he took duct tape, took duct tape, took duct tape, duct tape, and duct tape, and duct tape, and wrapped it around the hand that he wrapped it around the hand that he wrapped it around the hand that he just cut. Not just cut. Not just cut. Not necessarily what I would necessarily what I would necessarily what I would choose first, unless it's choose first, unless it's choose first, unless it's part of your part of your part of your destruction kit. destruction kit. Yes, interesting. And whether, I Yes, interesting. And whether, I mean, I don't mean, I don't mean, I don't know. Me, me, a stupid know. Me, me, a stupid know. Me, me, a stupid boy from the village. I can't boy from the village. I can't boy from the village. I can't remember how many remember how many remember how many times I've cut myself while times I've cut myself while times I've cut myself while working, chopping working, chopping working, chopping a piece of wood or something a piece of wood or something a piece of wood or something , and I'd grab some , and I'd grab some , and I'd grab some electrical tape electrical tape electrical tape or whatever I could find or whatever I could find to try to to try to to try to slow slow slow the bleeding until I the bleeding until I the bleeding until I could get back.

could get back. could get back. So maybe So maybe So maybe it worked in part it worked in part it worked in part , but when , but when , but when you start hearing what you start hearing what you start hearing what he did in he did in he did in preparation, it all preparation, it all preparation, it all feels like part of the same feels like part of the same set. set. Yes, that's exactly right. So it's what Yes, that's exactly right. So it's what Yes, that's exactly right. So it's what he tells he tells he tells the police and medics that the police and medics that the police and medics that raises suspicions, raises suspicions, raises suspicions, because none of because none of because none of it makes sense it makes sense it makes sense to...them. So, to...them. So, to...them. So, at first he says at first he says at first he says he was bitten by a wild he was bitten by a wild he was bitten by a wild dog or a fox. I do dog or a fox. I do dog or a fox. I do n't know. Are there packs of n't know. Are there packs of n't know. Are there packs of wild dogs wild dogs wild dogs with razor-sharp with razor-sharp with razor-sharp teeth? teeth? I...it's just weird. I...it's just weird. Then, okay. This is so... Then, okay. This is so... All of this will be cleared up All of this will be cleared up All of this will be cleared up before... This man before... This man before... This man with the bloody with the bloody with the bloody hand who says hand who says hand who says he was attacked by a fox is he was attacked by a fox is he was attacked by a fox is connected to the murder scene that connected to the murder scene that the police have just arrived at. So let's the police have just arrived at. So let's look at look at look at the planning a little bit, and then the planning a little bit, and then the planning a little bit, and then we'll go back to the we'll go back to the we'll go back to the two crime scenes again. two crime scenes again. So, the crime, according to So, the crime, according to the police, the police, the police, occurred just a few occurred just a few occurred just a few days before Christmas. Which days before Christmas. Which days before Christmas. Which again is like: again is like: again is like: okay, what... okay, there's okay, what... okay, there's okay, what... okay, there's no respect for no respect for no respect for holidays here. Christmas, right?

holidays here. Christmas, right? holidays here. Christmas, right? So, it happened on So, it happened on So, it happened on December 21, 2025. December 21, 2025. December 21, 2025. Benjamin Benjamin Benjamin was 19 years old at the time. It was 19 years old at the time. It was 19 years old at the time. It is unclear how long is unclear how long is unclear how long Benjamin had been planning Benjamin had been planning Benjamin had been planning this murder, but this murder, but Crown prosecutors say he began he began compiling a list of compiling a list of compiling a list of kills a month earlier, in November. He noted kills a month earlier, in November. He noted that he would that he would that he would need knives, need knives, need knives, scissors, a visor-like mask, an scissors, a visor-like mask, an scissors, a visor-like mask, an apron and apron and apron and gloves, gloves, gloves, plastic wrap, plastic wrap, plastic wrap, tape, a stapler, tape, a stapler, tape, a stapler, cleaning solutions cleaning solutions cleaning solutions and garbage bags. The BBC and garbage bags. The BBC and garbage bags. The BBC reports that he reports that he reports that he even purchased even purchased microscope slides. These microscope slides. These little glass little glass little glass slides, you know, you slides, you know, you slides, you know, you put one on top of the other put one on top of the other put one on top of the other and then under the microscope and then under the microscope . So he could take her . So he could take her . So he could take her blood, his blood, his blood, his victim's blood, Maria's blood, victim's blood, Maria's blood, victim's blood, Maria's blood, put it between put it between put it between two pieces of glass and two pieces of glass and two pieces of glass and hold it like a trophy, hold it like a trophy, hold it like a trophy, something like the movie something like the movie something like the movie "Dexter." Sorry, "Dexter." Sorry, "Dexter." Sorry, but in the series. but in the series. This is simply incredible. And what impresses me so much And what impresses me so much is the amount of is the amount of is the amount of preparation. And I preparation. And I preparation. And I suspect that if suspect that if suspect that if they went back and they went back and they went back and reviewed their purchases, reviewed their purchases, reviewed their purchases, because a lot of because a lot of because a lot of the purchases were probably the purchases were probably the purchases were probably made online, they made online, they made online, they would see that this would see that this would see that this process of putting together process of putting together process of putting together this latest this latest this latest murder kit murder kit murder kit had begun long had begun long had begun long before that. It would also be before that. It would also be before that. It would also be interesting to compare interesting to compare interesting to compare the video from the movie or the video from the movie or the video from the movie or TV series to how TV series to how TV series to how this crime scene is set up this crime scene is set up this crime scene is set up to see to see if he did anything like if he did anything like move move objects around the house to

objects around the house to objects around the house to match match match the scenes from the series. the scenes from the series. Moving a lamp to a Moving a lamp to a specific area or something specific area or something specific area or something really weird that didn't make really weird that didn't make really weird that didn't make sense until you sense until you sense until you looked at...the video looked at...the video looked at...the video that inspired it. that inspired it. Um, I find these cases Um, I find these cases incredibly incredibly incredibly fascinating, and I'm fascinating, and I'm fascinating, and I'm trying to contain the trying to contain the trying to contain the horror that I horror that I horror that I feel and the sadness feel and the sadness feel and the sadness that I feel for this that I feel for this that I feel for this victim, the part of victim, the part of victim, the part of me that has spent a me that has spent a me that has spent a career investigating career investigating career investigating criminal behavior. And criminal behavior. And criminal behavior. And I find this I find this I find this treasure trove of behavior treasure trove of behavior treasure trove of behavior that, um, hopefully that, um, hopefully that, um, hopefully will become part of will become part of law enforcement training in terms of law enforcement training in terms of what happens what happens what happens in this process of in this process of in this process of preparation, perpetration, preparation, perpetration, preparation, perpetration, and then after the actions that and then after the actions that and then after the actions that occur. Um, occur. Um, occur. Um, because this guy because this guy because this guy clearly thought he had everything clearly thought he had everything clearly thought he had everything set up until he set up until he set up until he started acting it out. started acting it out. And what's interesting is that this description and And what's interesting is that this description and comparison wasn't comparison wasn't comparison wasn't done on done on done on social media.

social media. It's the police department itself It's the police department itself in their in their in their statements that they statements that they statements that they released, and in released, and in released, and in this video that, this video that, this video that, you know, we showed you know, we showed you know, we showed about the encounters and then the about the encounters and then the about the encounters and then the arrest, they arrest, they arrest, they said that he was said that he was said that he was impersonating Dexter. impersonating Dexter. They themselves They themselves identified it all the way back identified it all the way back identified it all the way back to Henley. So I also to Henley. So I also to Henley. So I also find that interesting. find that interesting. Again, it's not Again, it's not like someone said, "Hey like someone said, "Hey , that looks like, 'No, , that looks like, 'No, , that looks like, 'No, no, no.'" It's like police no, no.'" It's like police no, no.'" It's like police say, "This guy was say, "This guy was say, "This guy was possessed, and it's possessed, and it's possessed, and it's inspired..." So inspired..." So , on December 20, the killer , on December 20, the killer , on December 20, the killer chose his victim, chose his victim, chose his victim, made final made final made final preparations. He preparations. He preparations. He rented a room for rented a room for rented a room for $53. He $53. He $53. He only needed only needed only needed the room, not the entire the room, not the entire the room, not the entire place. According to place. According to place. According to prosecutors, prosecutors, prosecutors, Benjamin spent Benjamin spent Benjamin spent hours preparing the hours preparing the hours preparing the rented room, rented room, rented room, attaching attaching attaching plastic sheets to the plastic sheets to the plastic sheets to the walls, covering walls, covering walls, covering the bed, covering the bed, covering the bed, covering the floor. He was said to have a the floor. He was said to have a the floor. He was said to have a protective protective protective visor over his face visor over his face visor over his face to protect himself from to protect himself from to protect himself from bloodshed. He bloodshed. He bloodshed. He wore an apron, like the wore an apron, like the wore an apron, like the character, had plenty of character, had plenty of character, had plenty of cleaning supplies, cleaning supplies, cleaning supplies, and then this roll of and then this roll of and then this roll of tarps with knives in it that tarps with knives in it that tarps with knives in it that had a few blades had a few blades , a stapler, duct , a stapler, duct , a stapler, duct tape, whatever he would tape, whatever he would tape, whatever he would need. He need. He need. He used a phone- used a phone- soldering iron to soldering iron to soldering iron to make arrangements with Maria, make arrangements with Maria, make arrangements with Maria, according to authorities. And according to authorities. And according to authorities. And after after after Maria's brutal murder, when Maria's brutal murder, when Maria's brutal murder, when he started the process of taking it he started the process of taking it apart, he apart, he cut himself. And, as I cut himself. And, as I cut himself. And, as I say, the whole plan say, the whole plan say, the whole plan went to hell.

went to hell. went to hell. Yes. Yes. Yes. Right? Right? Right? West Midlands Police say West Midlands Police say West Midlands Police say that Benjamin that Benjamin that Benjamin called the emergency called the emergency called the emergency services at 12:50 in the morning. services at 12:50 in the morning. services at 12:50 in the morning. So it's December 21st. So it's December 21st. So it's December 21st. And that he got And that he got And that he got as far away from the as far away from the as far away from the scene as he could, and... scene as he could, and... When the police When the police When the police found him, he was in a found him, he was in a found him, he was in a bloody blind. And bloody blind. And bloody blind. And his hand was his hand was his hand was wrapped in duct wrapped in duct wrapped in duct tape, or as it's tape, or as it's tape, or as it's also called, also called, also called, electrical tape electrical tape . But what he . But what he . But what he told the police told the police told the police didn't match what didn't match what didn't match what the police saw. So the police saw. So the police saw. So when the police when the police when the police asked, "How did you asked, "How did you asked, "How did you cut your hand?" "Here are cut your hand?" "Here are cut your hand?" "Here are some of his some of his some of his answers, which were answers, which were answers, which were captured on captured on captured on police police police body cameras body cameras body cameras . . He initially said he was He initially said he was looking for a random looking for a random looking for a random girl in a girl in a girl in a bar before bar before bar before he was he was he was attacked by an animal near a bush, which attacked by an animal near a bush, which attacked by an animal near a bush, which could have been a dog or could have been a dog or could have been a dog or a fox, but he didn't a fox, but he didn't a fox, but he didn't know exactly where. This know exactly where. This know exactly where. This video, released video, released video, released by the police. by the police. by the police. Let's see. Did Let's see. Did Let's see. Did you lose any you lose any you lose any fingers or something? I've got fingers or something? I've got four fingers left.

four fingers left. Yeah. Yeah. So, at this point, it So, at this point, it looks like he may have looks like he may have lost a finger. lost a finger. lost a finger. Since you hear Since you hear Since you hear him say he was able to him say he was able to him say he was able to count four count four count four fingers, it's really fingers, it's really fingers, it's really unclear what's unclear what's unclear what's going on. going on. going on. Maybe he got stuck Maybe he got stuck Maybe he got stuck in the tape. I don't know. in the tape. I don't know. in the tape. I don't know. But then when But then when But then when the police the police the police ask him where ask him where ask him where he got the he got the he got the duct tape that he used to duct tape that he used to duct tape that he used to tape his tape his tape his bloody hand? bloody hand? He told them it He told them it was in his car. was in his car. was in his car. But then he told But then he told But then he told the police he had no the police he had no the police he had no idea where his idea where his idea where his car was. Listen to car was. Listen to car was. Listen to this clip. this clip. this clip. Where did you get the Where did you get the duct tape? From duct tape? From dog [ __ ]. From dog [ __ ]. From dog [ __ ]. From dog [ __ ]? I do dog [ __ ]? I do dog [ __ ]? I do n't think I did n't think I did n't think I did it in a garage. it in a garage. it in a garage. Oh, no. What did you... Why did you Oh, no. What did you... Why did you Oh, no. What did you... Why did you take the tape with you? take the tape with you? take the tape with you? It was in my It was in my It was in my car. car. car. So where is your car? So where is your car? So where is your car? I don't know where it is. I don't know where it is. I don't know where it is. You know, and it would be one thing You know, and it would be one thing You know, and it would be one thing if you told me if you told me if you told me he was losing he was losing he was losing so much blood that he so much blood that he so much blood that he couldn't think straight. But couldn't think straight. But couldn't think straight. But no. I mean, no. I mean, no. I mean, we're talking about the kind of we're talking about the kind of we're talking about the kind of trauma you get trauma you get trauma you get in a kitchen. Okay? This in a kitchen. Okay? This in a kitchen. Okay? This guy's not going to die here.

guy's not going to die here. guy's not going to die here. He's... he's not going to die. So He's... he's not going to die. So He's... he's not going to die. So he has to be he has to be he has to be able to think straight. able to think straight. able to think straight. So we heard So we heard So we heard like, I don't know, like, I don't know, like, I don't know, four different versions of what four different versions of what four different versions of what happened. happened. happened. Wow. Yeah, and the fact that Wow. Yeah, and the fact that Wow. Yeah, and the fact that he's jumping around he's jumping around he's jumping around , and , and , and obviously, that's the obviously, that's the obviously, that's the best type of person best type of person best type of person to interrogate or to interrogate or to interrogate or interview because their interview because their interview because their story evolves story evolves as they as they as they try to try to try to fill in the gaps fill in the gaps fill in the gaps that they've created in the that they've created in the that they've created in the story. Um... I thought story. Um... I thought story. Um... I thought the officers did a really the officers did a really the officers did a really great job, and great job, and great job, and you could tell you could tell you could tell from the beginning that they from the beginning that they from the beginning that they knew they weren't knew they weren't knew they weren't getting the truth out of getting the truth out of getting the truth out of this guy. this guy. this guy. And they told him that And they told him that And they told him that . They said . They said , man, your story , man, your story , man, your story doesn't add up... doesn't add up... Get up. We Get up. We Get up. We found you. You do found you. You do found you. You do n't make any sense at all n't make any sense at all . So, okay. So . So, okay. So . So, okay. So now they've got now they've got now they've got this guy in custody and they're this guy in custody and they're this guy in custody and they're taking him to the taking him to the taking him to the hospital. Okay? So hospital. Okay? So hospital. Okay? So he's in the hospital and now he's in the hospital and now he's in the hospital and now another patrol another patrol another patrol unit is dealing unit is dealing unit is dealing with a call that they with a call that they with a call that they get at about get at about get at about 2:00 in the morning and the call 2:00 in the morning and the call 2:00 in the morning and the call comes from comes from comes from the landlord of this the landlord of this the landlord of this property on property on property on Bancroft Road in Bancroft Road in Bancroft Road in Tividale. And so Tividale. And so Tividale. And so the police arrive at the the police arrive at the the police arrive at the scene and that's when they scene and that's when they scene and that's when they find find find Maria's body on the floor Maria's body on the floor Maria's body on the floor next to the bed. This next to the bed. This next to the bed. This room is a room of room is a room of room is a room of horrors. It's unbelievable horrors. It's unbelievable horrors. It's unbelievable where they've gone.

where they've gone. where they've gone. They say they've They say they've They say they've found the found the found the murder weapon. They've murder weapon. They've murder weapon. They've found all the found all the found all the tools. They've tools. They've tools. They've found everything in there. So it found everything in there. So it found everything in there. So it didn't take the police long didn't take the police long to realise to realise that this room with the that this room with the that this room with the dead body and the dead body and the dead body and the young man with the young man with the young man with the cut hand were cut hand were cut hand were probably connected. At probably connected. At probably connected. At 3:42 in the morning, less than 3:42 in the morning, less than 3:42 in the morning, less than 3 hours after 3 hours after 3 hours after Benjamin Benjamin Benjamin called 999 about called 999 about called 999 about his injuries, officers his injuries, officers his injuries, officers arrive at arrive at arrive at the hospital to the hospital to the hospital to arrest him on arrest him on arrest him on suspicion of murder suspicion of murder suspicion of murder and he's lying in a and he's lying in a and he's lying in a hospital bed and from hospital bed and from hospital bed and from what I've what I've what I've seen, Benjamin didn't seen, Benjamin didn't seen, Benjamin didn't have a lot of...reaction have a lot of...reaction have a lot of...reaction to his arrest. Listen. to his arrest. Listen. to his arrest. Listen. Ben, that's all...Okay, Ben, that's all...Okay, Ben, that's all...Okay, Ben. It's 3:42, Ben. It's 3:42, Ben. It's 3:42, man, and you're under man, and you're under man, and you're under arrest for arrest for arrest for murder. murder. Unbelievable. I Yeah, first of all, he I Yeah, first of all, he was so was so was so casual in that casual in that casual in that bed. I couldn't bed. I couldn't bed. I couldn't remember, um, if he was remember, um, if he was remember, um, if he was actually actually actually using using using the phone he was the phone he was the phone he was holding in his right hand.

holding in his right hand. His His left hand is bandaged, and it's like left hand is bandaged, and it's like left hand is bandaged, and it's like he was waiting for the inevitable he was waiting for the inevitable he was waiting for the inevitable at that moment, because there's at that moment, because there's at that moment, because there's no anxiety on his face no anxiety on his face no anxiety on his face , no, what are you , no, what are you , no, what are you talking about? Um, talking about? Um, talking about? Um, crazy. crazy. Wearing that green Wearing that green Henley. Wearing that green Henley. Wearing that green Henley. Wearing that green Henley. Unbelievable. Henley. Unbelievable. Detective Inspector Detective Inspector Matt Marston, who Matt Marston, who Matt Marston, who led led led the investigation, the investigation, the investigation, said the quote: "Day said the quote: "Day said the quote: "Day had an obsessive had an obsessive had an obsessive personality and became personality and became personality and became obsessed with the character obsessed with the character obsessed with the character Dexter. He Dexter. He Dexter. He planned his planned his planned his murder down to the murder down to the murder down to the smallest detail. It smallest detail. It smallest detail. It was a was a was a premeditated, premeditated, premeditated, brutal attack on a brutal attack on a brutal attack on a defenseless woman who was defenseless woman who was defenseless woman who was lured into lured into The detective added: " The details of this case The details of this case The details of this case shocked the experienced shocked the experienced shocked the experienced officers and our officers and our officers and our thoughts continue to thoughts continue to thoughts continue to go out to go out to go out to Maria's heartbroken family at Maria's heartbroken family at Maria's heartbroken family at this time." this time."

Yes, that was a powerful Yes, that was a powerful statement, I thought, from statement, I thought, from statement, I thought, from the police, acknowledging the the police, acknowledging the the police, acknowledging the impact it has on those impact it has on those impact it has on those who have to be involved who have to be involved who have to be involved in the investigation, on the in the investigation, on the in the investigation, on the rescuers, on the rescuers, on the rescuers, on the people... Imagine people... Imagine people... Imagine the people who had to the people who had to the people who had to clean up the place clean up the place clean up the place after it was after it was after it was done. And then the done. And then the done. And then the Airbnb owner and everyone Airbnb owner and everyone Airbnb owner and everyone else, including that else, including that else, including that poor neighbor poor neighbor poor neighbor who discovered it. And, um, who discovered it. And, um, who discovered it. And, um, I've heard conflicting I've heard conflicting I've heard conflicting versions that he versions that he versions that he looked out the window and looked out the window and looked out the window and actually saw the actually saw the actually saw the victim, or that he victim, or that he victim, or that he saw when saw when the police opened the window door. But, um, it all the police opened the window door. But, um, it all left this left this left this incredible trail of incredible trail of incredible trail of victims. victims. Oh, it's really terrible. Benjamin pleaded Benjamin pleaded not guilty not guilty not guilty despite the mountain of despite the mountain of despite the mountain of evidence against him. evidence against him. And he had a pretty And he had a pretty simple defense. simple defense. The defense was, "Oh, The defense was, "Oh, it was all a prop. it was all a prop. Yes, it was props.

Yes, it was props. I was going to make a I was going to make a I was going to make a video for TikTok. And I video for TikTok. And I video for TikTok. And I was trying to match was trying to match was trying to match Dexter, and that was Dexter, and that was Dexter, and that was part of the video. And part of the video. And part of the video. And Maria attacked me. Maria attacked me. That's his defense. According to what According to what happened in court. And happened in court. And happened in court. And Maria attacked me, Maria attacked me, Maria attacked me, that's why my that's why my that's why my hand is cut, and that's why hand is cut, and that's why hand is cut, and that's why she's dead, because she's dead, because she's dead, because it was self-defense. it was self-defense. Yeah. Yeah. 78 times Yeah. Yeah. 78 times self-defense. self-defense. Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Just unbelievable. Just unbelievable. Just unbelievable. So, you unbelievable. So, you unbelievable. So, you know, the jury would know, the jury would know, the jury would never have heard never have heard never have heard that horrible defense, that horrible defense, that horrible defense, because on the second day of the because on the second day of the because on the second day of the trial, trial, trial, Benjamin stopped the Benjamin stopped the Benjamin stopped the proceedings with proceedings with proceedings with his lawyers and his lawyers and his lawyers and pleaded guilty. pleaded guilty. Which was very interesting. I do Which was very interesting. I do n't know what happened, n't know what happened, n't know what happened, because the facts didn't change because the facts didn't change , except that he , except that he , except that he somehow heard the opening somehow heard the opening somehow heard the opening arguments and what was being arguments and what was being arguments and what was being said about him, and said about him, and said about him, and he had he had he had half a half a half a brain cell left, and he said, " brain cell left, and he said, " Hmm." "Yeah.

Hmm." "Yeah. Yeah, Anna, it doesn't Yeah, Anna, it doesn't make you make you make you wonder what the wonder what the wonder what the prosecution could have prosecution could have prosecution could have put forward as evidence. And put forward as evidence. And put forward as evidence. And if it would have been if it would have been if it would have been so inconvenient so inconvenient so inconvenient for Deya, what he for Deya, what he for Deya, what he decided at all, I don't decided at all, I don't decided at all, I don't want the world to know, to want the world to know, to want the world to know, to look under look under look under that kimono about that kimono about that kimono about what my what my what my text text text messages were, or what messages were, or what messages were, or what my fantasies were, or what I my fantasies were, or what I my fantasies were, or what I might have whispered to might have whispered to might have whispered to other people. And, uh, that's something other people. And, uh, that's something other people. And, uh, that's something I always I always I always think about, and I get a little think about, and I get a little disappointed when disappointed when things do things do things do get to plea get to plea get to plea bargains bargains bargains , because , because , because they never they never they never get into the get into the get into the public record. public record. public record. So we don't really So we don't really So we don't really know the motivation or the know the motivation or the know the motivation or the driving forces behind driving forces behind driving forces behind it. it. it. Yeah, we never Yeah, we never Yeah, we never know. But I know. But I know. But I also don't want to also don't want to also don't want to give him any give him any give him any more attention, and I more attention, and I more attention, and I understand that some of understand that some of understand that some of you are going to say, "Well, you're you are going to say, "Well, you're you are going to say, "Well, you're giving him any giving him any giving him any attention, uh, you know, attention, uh, you know, attention, uh, you know, talking about this talking about this talking about this case on the podcast." " case on the podcast." " But, you know, as I But, you know, as I But, you know, as I said, I'm really said, I'm really said, I'm really concerned about these cases where concerned about these cases where concerned about these cases where someone is impersonating, and someone is impersonating, and someone is impersonating, and someone has planned it to the point where someone has planned it to the point where someone has planned it to the point where they've they've they've managed to kill another managed to kill another managed to kill another person. And my person. And my person. And my question to those who question to those who question to those who complain about this would be: complain about this would be: complain about this would be: what did people what did people what did people see or knew? I'm not see or knew? I'm not see or knew? I'm not saying they could have saying they could have saying they could have stopped it, because who stopped it, because who stopped it, because who really thinks it's going to really thinks it's going to really thinks it's going to end in end in end in murder, but yeah, murder, but yeah, murder, but yeah, maybe there's something maybe there's something maybe there's something more that he or his more that he or his more that he or his family doesn't want to family doesn't want to family doesn't want to talk about. But

talk about. But talk about. But according to those who according to those who according to those who were in the courtroom, because it were in the courtroom, because it were in the courtroom, because it was, you know, very, was, you know, very, very shocking. very shocking. very shocking. Suddenly it all Suddenly it all Suddenly it all stops on the stops on the stops on the second day, when he second day, when he second day, when he pleads pleads pleads guilty. Those who were in the guilty. Those who were in the guilty. Those who were in the courtroom said that he courtroom said that he had had a smile on his face when he pleaded guilty. I don't a smile on his face when he pleaded guilty. I don't a smile on his face when he pleaded guilty. I don't doubt that. doubt that. And I don't know Dexter, so I don't Dexter, so I don't Dexter, so I don't know if that's know if that's know if that's Me, either. Me, either. Me, either. Those are the facial expressions Those are the facial expressions Those are the facial expressions that Dexter would do. Would that Dexter would do. Would that Dexter would do. Would n't that be n't that be n't that be interesting? I interesting? I interesting? I know, you know, I know know, you know, I know know, you know, I know you're all thinking, you're all thinking, you're all thinking, what do you mean you've what do you mean you've never never seen that? You know, my seen that? You know, my seen that? You know, my job is pretty job is pretty job is pretty creepy as it is. creepy as it is. creepy as it is. That's right. Keep That's right. Keep That's right. Keep a balance. a balance. When I'm looking for something When I'm looking for something to watch, I'm looking for to watch, I'm looking for to watch, I'm looking for nonsense, for nonsense, for nonsense, for absurdity, Okay? absurdity, Okay? I'm getting scared. I I'm getting scared. I don't want to watch any don't want to watch any don't want to watch any more scary more scary more scary stuff, people. My stuff, people. My stuff, people. My job is job is job is scary enough, so I'm sorry scary enough, so I'm sorry , but you know, I guess I , but you know, I guess I ... I have to pay ... I have to pay ... I have to pay attention to these things, because attention to these things, because attention to these things, because this isn't the first case this isn't the first case this isn't the first case I've covered on I've covered on I've covered on this. Okay, this. Okay, this. Okay, here are some here are some here are some mitigating mitigating mitigating circumstances, uh, circumstances, uh, circumstances, uh, because we're talking about a because we're talking about a because we're talking about a different system different system different system of justice. Because of of justice. Because of of justice. Because of Benjamin's age at the time Benjamin's age at the time , 19, and his , 19, and his , 19, and his lack of lack of lack of criminal record, the judge criminal record, the judge criminal record, the judge requested a preliminary requested a preliminary requested a preliminary report to best report to best report to best determine what the determine what the determine what the appropriate sentence would be appropriate sentence would be . The killer will undergo a . The killer will undergo a . The killer will undergo a psychiatric psychiatric psychiatric evaluation before he evaluation before he evaluation before he returns to court on returns to court on returns to court on December 4th. A crime of this December 4th. A crime of this December 4th. A crime of this magnitude typically magnitude typically magnitude typically carries a

carries a carries a minimum sentence of 25 minimum sentence of 25 minimum sentence of 25 years in years in years in prison. So, I guess that prison. So, I guess that prison. So, I guess that doesn't seem like a lot, does doesn't seem like a lot, does doesn't seem like a lot, does it? It's it? It's it? It's scary that you can scary that you can scary that you can brutally murder someone brutally murder someone , and in 25 years, , and in 25 years, , and in 25 years, potentially be potentially be potentially be eligible for parole eligible for parole ? Maybe. Maybe. I don't Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. Again, it's a know. Again, it's a know. Again, it's a different system. And I don't different system. And I don't different system. And I don't think that, you know, think that, you know, think that, you know, the loss, I think people the loss, I think people the loss, I think people will appreciate that will appreciate that will appreciate that loss when loss when loss when they make these they make these they make these decisions about his decisions about his decisions about his fate. Now, sometimes, fate. Now, sometimes, fate. Now, sometimes, at least here in at least here in at least here in the States, when you the States, when you the States, when you enter a enter a enter a guilty plea, sometimes with that guilty plea, sometimes with that guilty plea, sometimes with that plea you get plea you get plea you get something of a small something of a small something of a small consequence. Right? consequence. Right? consequence. Right? So, supposedly, that could So, supposedly, that could So, supposedly, that could be a mitigating be a mitigating be a mitigating factor. We don't factor. We don't factor. We don't know. I... There's a part of know. I... There's a part of know. I... There's a part of me that's actually me that's actually me that's actually glad we don't have to glad we don't have to glad we don't have to hear all hear all hear all this anymore. I've heard this anymore. I've heard this anymore. I've heard enough, and I'm enough, and I'm enough, and I'm so sorry what so sorry what so sorry what happened to Maria. It's happened to Maria. It's happened to Maria. It's terrible. She was terrible. She was terrible. She was so beautiful. And so beautiful. And so beautiful. And her poor family, and this her poor family, and this her poor family, and this community, and those who community, and those who community, and those who responded, it's just responded, it's just responded, it's just terrible. And I don't know terrible. And I don't know terrible. And I don't know what the hell what the hell what the hell this Benjamin Day was thinking or not thinking this Benjamin Day was thinking or not thinking this Benjamin Day was thinking or not thinking . I don't . I don't . I don't know what's wrong with him.

know what's wrong with him. know what's wrong with him. But he's definitely evil. But he's definitely evil. But he's definitely evil. Definitely evil. Definitely evil. You know, and I also... I You know, and I also... I feel like... but also feel like... but also ... A lot of times in our ... A lot of times in our criminal criminal justice system, people justice system, people justice system, people want to blame want to blame want to blame everything on mental everything on mental everything on mental illness or this illness or this illness or this passion movement passion movement passion movement that is happening. And that is happening. And that is happening. And one thing that I one thing that I one thing that I continue to get really continue to get really continue to get really hung up on, hung up on, hung up on, as a person who as a person who as a person who follows follows follows behavior, is that behavior, is that behavior, is that everything in this case everything in this case everything in this case suggests that suggests that suggests that Benjamin Day knew Benjamin Day knew Benjamin Day knew that killing Maria that killing Maria that killing Maria was illegal. He, was illegal. He, was illegal. He, crazy or not crazy or not , knew it was , knew it was , knew it was illegal, judging by the way illegal, judging by the way illegal, judging by the way he hid, he hid, he hid, the way he left the scene the way he left the scene the way he left the scene , the way he , the way he , the way he tried to avoid tried to avoid tried to avoid answering answering answering questions, and yet he still questions, and yet he still questions, and yet he still decided to decided to decided to kill her. kill her. Yes. Evil. It's time Yes. Evil. It's time for our for our for our comments section. These are those comments section. These are those comments section. These are those criminal cases criminal cases criminal cases that you all that you all that you all talk about on talk about on talk about on social media, and social media, and social media, and here's our producer Will here's our producer Will here's our producer Will Updike. Hey, Will, Updike. Hey, Will, Updike. Hey, Will, how are you? how are you?

how are you? Good. How are you, Anna Good. How are you, Anna ? ? ? Good. Good to Good. Good to Good. Good to see you, Mike. Oh. see you, Mike. Oh. see you, Mike. Oh. This is This is This is my... This is always my my... This is always my my... This is always my most interesting moment, most interesting moment, most interesting moment, Will, to hear what Will, to hear what Will, to hear what you're going to make me you're going to make me you're going to make me laugh about today. laugh about today. Uh, for the viewers and Uh, for the viewers and listeners, uh, before listeners, uh, before listeners, uh, before we started the segment we started the segment , Mike showed us a , Mike showed us a , Mike showed us a nice a nice a nice a Halloween birdhouse that he Halloween birdhouse that he Halloween birdhouse that he put together himself. Uh, if you don't put together himself. Uh, if you don't put together himself. Uh, if you don't know, know, know, this is a photo so we can this is a photo so we can this is a photo so we can share...is it? share...is it? share...is it? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, if you don't know Yeah, if you don't know Yeah, if you don't know Mike, he's nice to Mike, he's nice to Mike, he's nice to everyone. And for those of you everyone. And for those of you everyone. And for those of you who don't, but who don't, but who don't, but many do, that many do, that many do, that birdhouse behind me birdhouse behind me birdhouse behind me was made by Mike, and he was made by Mike, and he was made by Mike, and he flew it in flew it in flew it in from Utah. I don't know how from Utah. I don't know how from Utah. I don't know how he got through TSA with he got through TSA with he got through TSA with that sharp spire. that sharp spire. that sharp spire. Bribery. Bribery. Mike King's hidden talents. Mike King's hidden talents. A lot of talents, A lot of talents, A lot of talents, for sure. So for sure. So for sure. So this week we have a this week we have a this week we have a case I call, is that case I call, is that case I call, is that a bird in your a bird in your a bird in your pocket or are you just pocket or are you just pocket or are you just happy to see me? This happy to see me? This happy to see me? This case came from case came from case came from Miami via Cuba, where a Miami via Cuba, where a Miami via Cuba, where a passenger who passenger who passenger who was observed with an was observed with an was observed with an unexplained unexplained unexplained bulge, which is the bulge, which is the bulge, which is the subject of a subject of a subject of a criminal complaint, criminal complaint, criminal complaint, was allegedly caught was allegedly caught was allegedly caught smuggling birds in his smuggling birds in his smuggling birds in his underwear. Umm, underwear. Umm, underwear. Umm, my God, you know, I'm my God, you know, I'm my God, you know, I'm going to tell you a going to tell you a going to tell you a story about that.

story about that. story about that. Smuggling birds in your Smuggling birds in your Smuggling birds in your underwear underwear? underwear underwear? underwear underwear? Okay, I didn't Okay, I didn't Okay, I didn't expect that. expect that. expect that. But I think I've But I think I've But I think I've said it before. said it before. said it before. Okay. Well, we'll see. Okay. Well, we'll see. Okay. Well, we'll see. We'll see. So, this all We'll see. So, this all We'll see. So, this all unfolded last unfolded last unfolded last Sunday, October 4th, when Sunday, October 4th, when Sunday, October 4th, when U.S. resident U.S. resident U.S. resident Alberto Hernandez Alberto Hernandez Alberto Hernandez Castillo arrived in Castillo arrived in Castillo arrived in Miami from Cuba, where Miami from Cuba, where Miami from Cuba, where he was supposedly taking a he was supposedly taking a he was supposedly taking a short trip to short trip to short trip to visit family. Were they visit family. Were they finches? Were they finches? Were they finches? What kind of finches? What kind of finches? What kind of birds were they? birds were they? birds were they? You'll see. You'll see. You'll see. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You'll see. That's You'll see. That's You'll see. That's part of the story. So part of the story. So , , , on to the next one. I would know this because I'm on to the next one. I would know this because I'm on to the next one. I would know this because I'm Cuban. Cuban. Cuban. It seems like this flight, It seems like this flight, It seems like this flight, you know, went you know, went you know, went smoothly from Cuba, smoothly from Cuba, smoothly from Cuba, took off fine, but took off fine, but took off fine, but our friend Alberto here our friend Alberto here reportedly reportedly reportedly had some had some had some problems upon problems upon problems upon arrival. So when arrival. So when arrival. So when he arrived in the U.S., he arrived in the U.S., he arrived in the U.S., Customs Customs Customs and Border and Border and Border Protection officers took Protection officers took Protection officers took Alberto away for a Alberto away for a Alberto away for a second inspection. second inspection. second inspection. Now, I'll just say Now, I'll just say Now, I'll just say that I'm assuming that that I'm assuming that that I'm assuming that wasn't a coincidence. I never wasn't a coincidence. I never wasn't a coincidence. I never know know know how many how many how many coincidences There are these things coincidences There are these things . . . For these re- For these re- For these re- examinations all the time. examinations all the time. examinations all the time. I think they throw I think they throw I think they throw some people in there to some people in there to some people in there to say, "No, say, "No, say, "No, this is completely this is completely this is completely coincidental." This is coincidental." This is coincidental." This is completely random.

completely random. completely random. "A "A "A guy with a suitcase guy with a suitcase guy with a suitcase full of money. full of money. full of money. I swear, this I swear, this I swear, this happened to me in happened to me in happened to me in Toronto. And I'm like, 'Oh Toronto. And I'm like, 'Oh Toronto. And I'm like, 'Oh my God, what do they my God, what do they my God, what do they think I did?'" " " think I did?'" " " That's right. Well, that's right. That's right. Well, that's right. Well, they had to Well, they had to Well, they had to throw a few throw a few throw a few people in there who, they people in there who, they people in there who, they expect, had nothing on them to make expect, had nothing on them to make expect, had nothing on them to make it it it look more look more look more casual, I guess. casual, I guess. casual, I guess. But anyway, But anyway, uh, you know, when you uh, you know, when you uh, you know, when you go through customs, you go through customs, you go through customs, you have to have to have to declare your declare your declare your personal belongings. Uh, personal belongings. Uh, personal belongings. Uh, pretty standard. pretty standard. pretty standard. Alberto said Alberto said Alberto said he had, you know, a carry- he had, you know, a carry- he had, you know, a carry- on and a fanny on and a fanny on and a fanny pack. He travels pack. He travels pack. He travels pretty light. You pretty light. You pretty light. You also, you know, also, you know, also, you know, have to fill out these have to fill out these have to fill out these customs declarations upon customs declarations upon customs declarations upon entry, which, you know, entry, which, you know, entry, which, you know, basically want to know if basically want to know if basically want to know if you're bringing in any you're bringing in any you're bringing in any plants, biological plants, biological plants, biological material, or material, or material, or animals. animals. animals. Or, more importantly, Or, more importantly, any kind of any kind of any kind of wildlife. Uh, Alberto wildlife. Uh, Alberto reportedly reportedly reportedly said no to all of said no to all of said no to all of those questions. So, as those questions. So, as those questions. So, as Customs Customs Customs and Border and Border and Border Protection officers, you know, they Protection officers, you know, they Protection officers, you know, they ask him some ask him some ask him some routine questions, routine questions, routine questions, you know, "What's the reason for you know, "What's the reason for you know, "What's the reason for your trip?"" And so your trip?"" And so your trip?"" And so on. All the on. All the on. All the usual things. They usual things. They usual things. They notice this notice this notice this inexplicable inexplicable inexplicable bulge on bulge on bulge on Alberto's pelvis {slash line} Alberto's pelvis {slash line} Alberto's pelvis {slash line} in the waist area. in the waist area. in the waist area. Again, this is, uh, Again, this is, uh, Again, this is, uh, the terminology the terminology the terminology used in the used in the used in the complaint. They also complaint. They also complaint. They also claim that when claim that when claim that when asking him asking him asking him questions, questions, questions, Alberto seems to become Alberto seems to become Alberto seems to become increasingly nervous.

increasingly nervous. increasingly nervous. Again, I just Again, I just Again, I just understand when you're understand when you're understand when you're asked tough asked tough asked tough questions, you know, when you questions, you know, when you questions, you know, when you come to customs come to customs come to customs or...Uh, but, you know, or...Uh, but, you know, or...Uh, but, you know, because of a combination of those because of a combination of those because of a combination of those factors, factors, factors, nervousness and an nervousness and an nervousness and an inexplicable inexplicable inexplicable bulge, he's bulge, he's bulge, he's taken to the safe taken to the safe taken to the safe zone for a little zone for a little zone for a little groping. Uh, groping. Uh, groping. Uh, the bulge is being examined, the bulge is being examined, the bulge is being examined, what a tough day at what a tough day at what a tough day at work if you, if work if you, if work if you, if you're a CBP officer. you're a CBP officer. you're a CBP officer. You have to inspect, uh You have to inspect, uh You have to inspect, uh , random , random , random bulges, I'm bulges, I'm bulges, I'm sure, constantly. sure, constantly. sure, constantly. But during this But during this But during this search, they discovered search, they discovered search, they discovered that Alberto had allegedly that Alberto had allegedly that Alberto had allegedly sewn six sewn six sewn six cylindrical tubes cylindrical tubes cylindrical tubes into his underwear into his underwear . Oddly enough, uh, when . Oddly enough, uh, when . Oddly enough, uh, when the officers inspect these the officers inspect these the officers inspect these tubes, you know, they're tubes, you know, they're tubes, you know, they're wrapped in tape, and wrapped in tape, and wrapped in tape, and there's this kind of there's this kind of there's this kind of black mesh black mesh black mesh material... " material... " opening each one of opening each one of opening each one of them. And if I find myself them. And if I find myself them. And if I find myself in that situation, in that situation, in that situation, you know, my thoughts don't you know, my thoughts don't you know, my thoughts don't immediately turn immediately turn immediately turn to birds. I think, it's to birds. I think, it's to birds. I think, it's got to be some kind of got to be some kind of got to be some kind of explosive, something explosive, something explosive, something narcotic, I don't know, narcotic, I don't know, narcotic, I don't know, something much something much something much scarier, I would scarier, I would scarier, I would think. Uh, but, uh, what think. Uh, but, uh, what think. Uh, but, uh, what they find they find they find in these six tubes in these six tubes in these six tubes is reportedly is reportedly 10 live birds. 10 10 live birds. 10 10 live birds. 10 birds in six birds in six birds in six tubes. Do the math. For tubes. Do the math. For tubes. Do the math. For some reason, one of some reason, one of some reason, one of them was getting its own them was getting its own them was getting its own bed, and the rest were bed, and the rest were bed, and the rest were folded up. Uh, folded up. Uh, folded up. Uh, not quite sure, not quite sure, not quite sure, uh, how that worked out. But uh, how that worked out. But uh, how that worked out. But according to the authorities, according to the authorities, according to the authorities, among the 10 birds among the 10 birds among the 10 birds they supposedly they supposedly they supposedly collected here, there were eight collected here, there were eight collected here, there were eight yellow-faced yellow-faced yellow-faced grasshoppers and two grasshoppers and two grasshoppers and two blue-throated woodpeckers.

blue-throated woodpeckers. blue-throated woodpeckers. I hope I'm I hope I'm I hope I'm pronouncing pronouncing pronouncing that correctly. Actually I'm not that correctly. Actually I'm not that correctly. Actually I'm not much of an ornithologist. much of an ornithologist. much of an ornithologist. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I'm not much of Yeah. I'm not much of Yeah. I'm not much of an ornithologist, but an ornithologist, but an ornithologist, but apparently, uh, these two apparently, uh, these two apparently, uh, these two species are very common in the species are very common in the species are very common in the illegal illegal illegal bird trade. Uh, I've bird trade. Uh, I've bird trade. Uh, I've looked at some looked at some looked at some pictures of them. Uh, pictures of them. Uh, pictures of them. Uh, I can't show them I can't show them I can't show them because we don't have a because we don't have a because we don't have a permit, but uh, you permit, but uh, you permit, but uh, you can do your can do your can do your research. I, they're research. I, they're research. I, they're beautiful birds. I, you know beautiful birds. I, you know , I don't know if I'm , I don't know if I'm , I don't know if I'm facing a facing a facing a felony for bringing felony for bringing felony for bringing any of them into any of them into any of them into the country, but that's just the country, but that's just the country, but that's just my opinion. So, as you can my opinion. So, as you can my opinion. So, as you can probably guess, probably guess, probably guess, the authorities are saying that the authorities are saying that the authorities are saying that Alberto here Alberto here Alberto here never filed the proper never filed the proper never filed the proper paperwork to paperwork to paperwork to legally import legally import legally import wildlife, which is wildlife, which is wildlife, which is probably pretty probably pretty probably pretty obvious if obvious if obvious if you have you have you have six pipes in your underwear. six pipes in your underwear. six pipes in your underwear. But, uh, the officers But, uh, the officers But, uh, the officers say that when they say that when they say that when they asked him about asked him about asked him about the birds, he the birds, he the birds, he claimed they claimed they claimed they were for personal were for personal were for personal use, and then use, and then use, and then eventually exercised eventually exercised eventually exercised his right his right his right to remain silent. to remain silent. to remain silent. So, uh, where is So, uh, where is So, uh, where is this this this case now, uh, looking case now, uh, looking case now, uh, looking at court records, it at court records, it at court records, it looks like Alberto looks like Alberto looks like Alberto showed up in showed up in showed up in federal court in federal court in federal court in Miami, because that's where Miami, because that's where Miami, because that's where these cross- these cross- these cross- country flights are happening. country flights are happening. country flights are happening. That's never a good That's never a good That's never a good sign, but he sign, but he sign, but he was released on was released on was released on $25,000 bail $25,000 bail , and his arraignment , and his arraignment is set for is set for October 26th. uh, we'll October 26th. uh, we'll October 26th. uh, we'll have to have to have to see what happens with see what happens with see what happens with that, but whenever there's that, but whenever there's that, but whenever there's birds, birds, birds, whenever there's whenever there's whenever there's any...

any... Weird Weird Weird animal smuggling, you know, I'm on animal smuggling, you know, I'm on animal smuggling, you know, I'm on this case. uh, I'm this case. uh, I'm this case. uh, I'm always interested in always interested in always interested in this kind of thing. this kind of thing. this kind of thing. These things These things These things happen all the time happen all the time . I don't know if they . I don't know if they . I don't know if they get reported, but get reported, but get reported, but they happen they happen they happen all the time. So I all the time. So I all the time. So I was doing this was doing this was doing this investigation when I investigation when I investigation when I was working at a local was working at a local was working at a local station here in Los station here in Los Angeles, about weird Angeles, about weird Angeles, about weird animals and things that animals and things that animals and things that people try to people try to people try to smuggle in. And smuggle in. And smuggle in. And one of the cases that one of the cases that one of the cases that I mentioned was with I mentioned was with I mentioned was with Birdman. Birdman. Birdman, uh, Birdman, uh, traveled from an traveled from an traveled from an Asian country, and in In Asian country, and in In Asian country, and in In his pants, and I think in his his pants, and I think in his his pants, and I think in his jacket too, he jacket too, he jacket too, he took a took a took a little mesh thing, and it little mesh thing, and it little mesh thing, and it had had had pockets sewn into it. So imagine a pockets sewn into it. So imagine a pockets sewn into it. So imagine a row of pockets, and in row of pockets, and in row of pockets, and in each pocket was a each pocket was a each pocket was a live bird. And live bird. And live bird. And of course, all of course, all of course, all I could think was, "Well I could think was, "Well , wouldn't the birds be , wouldn't the birds be , wouldn't the birds be chirping on chirping on chirping on this long journey, this long journey, this long journey, while the man was sitting while the man was sitting while the man was sitting with the birds, all of it, with the birds, all of it, with the birds, all of it, you know, hidden in you know, hidden in you know, hidden in his clothes?" ""I think his clothes?" ""I think his clothes?" ""I think he had about 20 he had about 20 he had about 20 birds. And the wildlife experts birds. And the wildlife experts that I worked with, that I worked with, the people that the people that the people that collect this collect this collect this crazy stuff, they crazy stuff, they crazy stuff, they said to me, 'No. That's what's said to me, 'No. That's what's said to me, 'No. That's what's so amazing. It's so amazing. It's so amazing. It's dark for birds, dark for birds, dark for birds, so they're quiet. They so they're quiet. They so they're quiet. They think it's nighttime, and they think it's nighttime, and they think it's nighttime, and they sleep in their sleep in their sleep in their little pockets little pockets little pockets or top hats, like, or top hats, like, or top hats, like, you know, a Cuban you know, a Cuban you know, a Cuban man. Isn't that man. Isn't that man. Isn't that the craziest thing the craziest thing the craziest thing in the world?'" " in the world?'" " Yeah, well, I was surprised in Yeah, well, I was surprised in Yeah, well, I was surprised in that case how that case how that case how they didn't, you know, they didn't, you know, they didn't, you know, squeak, uh, but I squeak, uh, but I squeak, uh, but I guess this makes more guess this makes more guess this makes more sense.

sense. sense. That's what makes more That's what makes more That's what makes more sense. sense. It completely changes It completely changes my perception of that my perception of that my perception of that guy in New York guy in New York guy in New York who's unbuttoning his who's unbuttoning his who's unbuttoning his coat to sell coat to sell coat to sell you a Rolex. you a Rolex. you a Rolex. Yeah. That's right. No, it Yeah. That's right. No, it Yeah. That's right. No, it does, but, but they're all does, but, but they're all does, but, but they're all birds. Also, Mike, birds. Also, Mike, birds. Also, Mike, you could try to you could try to you could try to sneak a couple into one sneak a couple into one sneak a couple into one of those birdhouses. of those birdhouses. of those birdhouses. Hey, well, I have a place Hey, well, I have a place Hey, well, I have a place for these birds if for these birds if for these birds if they're looking for a home. they're looking for a home. they're looking for a home. You can relocate You can relocate You can relocate all of them. So we all of them. So we all of them. So we got some got some got some good comments on good comments on good comments on this. I'll this. I'll this. I'll start with the comment from Law start with the comment from Law start with the comment from Law Crime Studies, where they said, " Crime Studies, where they said, " I don't think he's going to I don't think he's going to I don't think he's going to fly anytime soon." "Which I fly anytime soon." "Which I fly anytime soon." "Which I guess. Yeah, that's a guess. Yeah, that's a guess. Yeah, that's a tough question. That's a tough question. That's a tough question. That's a tough question. tough question. tough question. Gerald Friend Gerald Friend Gerald Friend said, "Everything was going according to said, "Everything was going according to said, "Everything was going according to plan until they plan until they plan until they ate the worm." " ate the worm." " Sorry, that's pretty Sorry, that's pretty Sorry, that's pretty good. Okay, and good. Okay, and good. Okay, and I I I liked the next one. liked the next one. liked the next one. I liked the last one. I I liked the last one. I I liked the last one. I had to look up had to look up had to look up the terminology because I the terminology because I the terminology because I wasn't familiar with it. wasn't familiar with it. wasn't familiar with it. But Eddie N says, " But Eddie N says, " Takes Takes budgie smugglers to a budgie smugglers to a whole new level." whole new level." "Are you familiar with that "Are you familiar with that "Are you familiar with that term? Because Mike, this is an term? Because Mike, this is an term? Because Mike, this is an Australian thing, and Australian thing, and Australian thing, and you work in you work in you work in Australia, right?

Australia, right? Australia, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, so " Okay, so " wave smugglers." wave smugglers." Smugglers- Smugglers- wavers is a term wavers is a term wavers is a term in Australia that in Australia that in Australia that means a man's means a man's means a man's speedometer. speedometer. Oh. Oh. Wow. I don't... Wow. I don't... Wow. I don't... Oh, come on, Mike. Do you Oh, come on, Mike. Do you Oh, come on, Mike. Do you expect me to believe expect me to believe expect me to believe that you don't know this? that you don't know this? that you don't know this? Well, well. Well, well. Well, well. What? Participating in this What? Participating in this What? Participating in this program is always so program is always so program is always so informative. informative. I've never I've never heard that before. I've never heard that before. I've never heard that before. I've never heard this before, heard this before, heard this before, but it's like someone is but it's like someone is but it's like someone is literally literally literally trying to trying to trying to smuggle something smuggle something smuggle something in their in their in their underwear. This made me underwear. This made me underwear. This made me laugh. That laugh. That laugh. That was a good term. I hadn't was a good term. I hadn't was a good term. I hadn't heard it before, and heard it before, and heard it before, and I always love a I always love a I always love a good new term. But that's good new term. But that's good new term. But that's all I can all I can all I can say about this say about this say about this comment section. comment section. comment section. Anna, do you have Anna, do you have Anna, do you have any additional any additional any additional comments from our comments from our comments from our wonderful viewers wonderful viewers wonderful viewers that you would like to that you would like to that you would like to share? share? share? Yes. As you know, I Yes. As you know, I Yes. As you know, I try to read try to read try to read your comments your comments your comments as often as possible, because I as often as possible, because I as often as possible, because I invite you to invite you to invite you to comment. So it would be comment. So it would be comment. So it would be ridiculous of me ridiculous of me ridiculous of me to ask you to ask you to ask you to comment and then to comment and then to comment and then not read it. So, this is not read it. So, this is not read it. So, this is about the last... " about the last... " case this week case this week case this week that many of you are that many of you are that many of you are familiar with. It's about a familiar with. It's about a familiar with. It's about a former former former American Idol contestant who American Idol contestant who American Idol contestant who was convicted of killing his was convicted of killing his was convicted of killing his wife so he could wife so he could wife so he could be with his be with his be with his much younger, um much younger, um , girlfriend, a , girlfriend, a , girlfriend, a woman he woman he woman he met at met at met at church who was an church who was an church who was an intern in the music intern in the music intern in the music industry. You can't industry. You can't industry. You can't make of this... It's make of this... It's make of this... It's just too much. It's just just too much. It's just just too much. It's just ...

... ... honestly, it's just... It's honestly, it's just... It's honestly, it's just... It's too much for me. It's too much for me. It's too much for me. It's just... So, um, just... So, um, just... So, um, AbbyF22 wrote on YouTube: AbbyF22 wrote on YouTube: AbbyF22 wrote on YouTube: "He's not pleading guilty to "He's not pleading guilty to "He's not pleading guilty to killing his wife because he's killing his wife because he's killing his wife because he's planning to planning to planning to appeal and he thinks appeal and he thinks appeal and he thinks he can he can he can get away with the get away with the get away with the technicalities. He technicalities. He technicalities. He thinks so." "I thinks so." "I thinks so." "I mean, it was mean, it was mean, it was brutal when the letters brutal when the letters brutal when the letters from his two daughters, from his two daughters, from his two daughters, because his two daughters because his two daughters because his two daughters were home at the time of were home at the time of were home at the time of the murder, were the murder, were the murder, were read at the sentencing, and read at the sentencing, and read at the sentencing, and this guy was crying the whole time this guy was crying the whole time this guy was crying the whole time . He's one of those crybabies . He's one of those crybabies . And I'm crying, . And I'm crying, . And I'm crying, but what annoys me about but what annoys me about but what annoys me about the ones who cry is that the ones who cry is that the ones who cry is that if you did it yourself if you did it yourself if you did it yourself , , , you can't cry you can't cry . Yeah. Okay. And then, . Yeah. Okay. And then, . Yeah. Okay. And then, um, let's see... I um, let's see... I um, let's see... I thought about it. Because I thought about it. Because I thought about it. Because I was pretty was pretty was pretty surprised that he didn't surprised that he didn't surprised that he didn't express any express any express any remorse or anything remorse or anything remorse or anything at sentencing, but at sentencing, but at sentencing, but maybe people do that maybe people do that maybe people do that to hope to hope to hope for something on appeal. I for something on appeal. I ... I don't know. ... I don't know. ... I don't know. Well, I don't know if I Well, I don't know if I Well, I don't know if I talked to you about it talked to you about it talked to you about it or not. I was or not. I was or not. I was doing doing doing so much today, the so much today, the so much today, the podcast and stuff, podcast and stuff, podcast and stuff, that my girlfriend, who's that my girlfriend, who's that my girlfriend, who's in Ohio right now, in Ohio right now, in Ohio right now, texted me right away and texted me right away and texted me right away and said, "You know what said, "You know what said, "You know what everyone's saying in Ohio?"

everyone's saying in Ohio?" Because that's where Caleb Because that's where Caleb Because that's where Caleb Flynn... Flynn... Flynn... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tip City... Tip City... Tip City... where the where the where the Tip City murder happened. Um, she Tip City murder happened. Um, she Tip City murder happened. Um, she said, "You know, there's said, "You know, there's said, "You know, there's a lot of suspicion about a lot of suspicion about a lot of suspicion about what role, if what role, if what role, if any, the any, the any, the mistress played in this. And we mistress played in this. And we mistress played in this. And we discussed that she was discussed that she was discussed that she was n't charged with anything n't charged with anything n't charged with anything . She . She . She cooperated with the cooperated with the cooperated with the prosecution. She prosecution. She prosecution. She read 100,000 read 100,000 read 100,000 text text text messages. They messages. They messages. They were sending were sending were sending each other 300 messages each other 300 messages each other 300 messages a day. Please a day. Please a day. Please grow up, man. grow up, man. grow up, man. Please leave me Please leave me Please leave me alone. But, um, how alone. But, um, how alone. But, um, how interesting, how interesting. And interesting, how interesting. And interesting, how interesting. And then, um, Shirak Gora then, um, Shirak Gora then, um, Shirak Gora 6577 writes, "In this day and age, with 6577 writes, "In this day and age, with 6577 writes, "In this day and age, with all the technology, all the technology, all the technology, how can anyone think they can get away with how can anyone think they can get away with committing the committing the perfect murder? perfect murder? perfect murder? The digital trail will always catch up with The digital trail will always catch up with The digital trail will always catch up with you. By the way, you. By the way, you. By the way, I've never seen I've never seen I've never seen anyone prosecuted anyone prosecuted anyone prosecuted for divorce." " for divorce." " So why didn't you So why didn't you So why didn't you choose divorce? Because choose divorce? Because choose divorce? Because he said he didn't want to he said he didn't want to he said he didn't want to lose his lose his lose his standing in the community. standing in the community. standing in the community. And then the last And then the last And then the last comment, comment, comment, thinking it was thinking it was thinking it was bad. He worked bad. He worked bad. He worked for his wife's family in the for his wife's family in the for his wife's family in the family business.

family business. family business. He worked to He worked to He worked to get a share in it get a share in it get a share in it . He had a . He had a life insurance policy. You know life insurance policy. You know what I mean? I don't think it what I mean? I don't think it what I mean? I don't think it was as simple as I was as simple as I was as simple as I think it is, it's cowardice think it is, it's cowardice think it is, it's cowardice to say something to say something to say something like, "Oh, I was like, "Oh, I was like, "Oh, I was worried about worried about worried about me community will think me community will think ." "No, I didn't. You ." "No, I didn't. You ." "No, I didn't. You wanted to maintain wanted to maintain wanted to maintain your lifestyle, your lifestyle, your lifestyle, which your... It seems like which your... It seems like which your... It seems like your wife provided a lot your wife provided a lot your wife provided a lot for you for you for you . . . Yeah. What's the matter, your Yeah. What's the matter, your Yeah. What's the matter, your music career didn't music career didn't music career didn't make a single make a single make a single dollar, buddy. Your 15 dollar, buddy. Your 15 dollar, buddy. Your 15 minutes of fame. minutes of fame. minutes of fame. I think you're right too I think you're right too I think you're right too . I mean, . I mean, . I mean, he wanted everything. He he wanted everything. He he wanted everything. He wanted the kids to be wanted the kids to be wanted the kids to be full-time, full-time, full-time, not joint custody. not joint custody. not joint custody. He wanted to be the He wanted to be the He wanted to be the victim of her death. And victim of her death. And victim of her death. And he wanted to keep the he wanted to keep the he wanted to keep the money, the house, and money, the house, and money, the house, and the girlfriend. the girlfriend. the girlfriend. And now he has nothing And now he has nothing And now he has nothing . He has nothing . He has nothing . He has nothing . How did that . How did that . How did that work out for you, work out for you, work out for you, buddy? Right? I buddy? Right? I buddy? Right? I just don't get it. just don't get it. just don't get it. So, the last So, the last So, the last comment from Sio comment from Sio comment from Sio Bonhonk. Caleb is Bonhonk. Caleb is Bonhonk. Caleb is so pathetic, so pathetic, so pathetic, thinking he can thinking he can thinking he can get away with murder."

get away with murder." get away with murder." Wonderfully said. Wonderfully said. Wonderfully said. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's right. Absolutely. That's right. Absolutely. That's right. Absolutely. Thank you very much for Thank you very much for Thank you very much for leaving these leaving these leaving these comments. You comments. You comments. You can, of course, can, of course, can, of course, do this on our do this on our YouTube community page. You can also YouTube community page. You can also do this on do this on any of these videos and any of these videos and any of these videos and the app will read your the app will read your the app will read your comments as comments as comments as shown. But that shown. But that shown. But that will be enough for will be enough for this week's comments section. Until this week's comments section. Until next week, don't next week, don't next week, don't commit crimes. commit crimes. commit crimes. So, Mike, you're So, Mike, you're So, Mike, you're working on a new working on a new working on a new project. Tell us project. Tell us project. Tell us all about him. all about him. all about him. God, I have this God, I have this God, I have this crazy opportunity. I'm crazy opportunity. I'm crazy opportunity. I'm going to leave going to leave for Canada in about 10 days. I'm for Canada in about 10 days. I'm going to start in going to start in going to start in Toronto and work my Toronto and work my Toronto and work my way west across way west across way west across Canada, 20 different Canada, 20 different Canada, 20 different places, the psychology of places, the psychology of places, the psychology of cults, where we're going to cults, where we're going to cults, where we're going to dissect what dissect what dissect what cult leaders do to cult leaders do to cult leaders do to recruit and recruit and recruit and retain people in retain people in retain people in these crazy these crazy these crazy groups that are just groups that are just groups that are just starting out. starting out. And then when we're And then when we're done in Canada, done in Canada, done in Canada, we'll fly down and we'll fly down and we'll fly down and start in Perth, start in Perth, start in Perth, Australia, and Australia, and Australia, and work our way to work our way to work our way to Sydney, Brisbane, Sydney, Brisbane, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra. We're just going to have a Canberra. We're just going to have a Canberra. We're just going to have a great time, great time, great time, and, uh, it's so kind of and, uh, it's so kind of and, uh, it's so kind of you, uh, to let you, uh, to let you, uh, to let me share this. me share this. me share this. Thank you. "you. Thank you. "you. Thank you. "you. Wow, that's so interesting. Wow, that's so interesting. Wow, that's so interesting. Honestly, you know, we have Honestly, you know, we have Honestly, you know, we have n't had... We have n't had... We have n't had... We have n't had a n't had a n't had a lot of lot of lot of cult-related cases lately cult-related cases lately , but whenever we , but whenever we , but whenever we do, we do, we do, we definitely want to definitely want to definitely want to talk to you talk to you talk to you about it. And for me, it about it. And for me, it about it. And for me, it always comes down to always comes down to always comes down to how how how convincing convincing convincing these people can be, and how these people can be, and how these people can be, and how people who need people who need people who need help and are looking for help and are looking for help and are looking for something are the perfect something are the perfect something are the perfect match. It's like the match. It's like the match. It's like the perfect crime.

perfect crime. perfect crime. Yeah, Anna. And these Yeah, Anna. And these Yeah, Anna. And these cult leaders don't want cult leaders don't want cult leaders don't want dummies, who we dummies, who we dummies, who we often think are often think are often think are probably idiots probably idiots probably idiots to join. They to join. They to join. They want people who want people who want people who can can can contribute and make the contribute and make the contribute and make the cult even more successful cult even more successful cult even more successful than it is. So, uh, I than it is. So, uh, I than it is. So, uh, I think it's going to be really think it's going to be really think it's going to be really fun to explore these fun to explore these fun to explore these ideas. I'm really looking forward to it ideas. I'm really looking forward to it ideas. I'm really looking forward to it . I've heard . I've heard . I've heard from a lot of from a lot of from a lot of survivors. Just survivors. Just survivors. Just yesterday, from yesterday, from yesterday, from survivors of a cult who were survivors of a cult who were survivors of a cult who were raised in this raised in this raised in this cult to believe in the cult to believe in the cult to believe in the ideology, and only ideology, and only ideology, and only after 20 years they after 20 years they after 20 years they were able to escape, and were able to escape, and were able to escape, and now they're talking now they're talking now they're talking about the abuse about the abuse about the abuse they went through. And, uh, they went through. And, uh, they went through. And, uh, there are just some incredibly there are just some incredibly there are just some incredibly amazing people that amazing people that amazing people that I I I look forward to meeting. And look forward to meeting. And look forward to meeting. And thank you...you, always. thank you...you, always. Do survivors attend these Do survivors attend these events? events? events? I know you're just I know you're just I know you're just going to start going to start going to start this conversation, but I this conversation, but I this conversation, but I guess guess guess survivors, if they know survivors, if they know survivors, if they know you're in town, want to you're in town, want to you're in town, want to hear what you have to hear what you have to hear what you have to say, and whether say, and whether say, and whether they're able or they're able or they're able or willing to reach out to willing to reach out to willing to reach out to you is a whole other you is a whole other you is a whole other thing. thing. thing. Yeah, I'm surprised that Yeah, I'm surprised that Yeah, I'm surprised that most of the most of the most of the venues had venues had venues had someone from almost someone from almost someone from almost every city that every city that every city that we'd contact through the we'd contact through the we'd contact through the Profiling Evil website, Profiling Evil website, Profiling Evil website, just to say just to say just to say I'd be coming.

I'd be coming. I'd be coming. I hope I can I hope I can I hope I can just just just chat with chat with chat with you for a minute. Are you you for a minute. Are you you for a minute. Are you familiar with this familiar with this familiar with this particular cult? And particular cult? And particular cult? And also, we've also, we've also, we've reached out to reached out to reached out to law enforcement law enforcement law enforcement agencies across agencies across agencies across Canada and in the area, Canada and in the area, Canada and in the area, and we have police officers and we have police officers and we have police officers who are assigned to who are assigned to who are assigned to enforcement enforcement enforcement or crimes or crimes or crimes cult-type, which cult-type, which cult-type, which will be mandatory will be mandatory will be mandatory to attend, and to attend, and to attend, and hopefully I'll get a hopefully I'll get a hopefully I'll get a chance chance chance to meet them. I've to meet them. I've to meet them. I've even arranged for even arranged for even arranged for an opportunity to do some an opportunity to do some an opportunity to do some training with the training with the training with the Royal Royal Royal Canadian Mounted Canadian Mounted Canadian Mounted Police while I'm there. Police while I'm there. So it's going to be a really So it's going to be a really interesting opportunity and interesting opportunity and interesting opportunity and hopefully a way to... hopefully a way to... network with people who network with people who network with people who are trying to are trying to are trying to infiltrate and infiltrate and infiltrate and break these break these break these coercive groups, and also for coercive groups, and also for coercive groups, and also for survivors who have survivors who have survivors who have the courage to come and the courage to come and the courage to come and talk a little bit. It's talk a little bit. It's talk a little bit. It's not going to be a hateful show. not going to be a hateful show. It's going to be dealt with It's going to be dealt with very, very very, very very, very properly. We acknowledge properly. We acknowledge properly. We acknowledge the abuse that's the abuse that's the abuse that's going on, but we're going on, but we're going on, but we're going to move going to move going to move on and talk on and talk on and talk more about the more about the more about the characteristics and the characteristics and the characteristics and the controlling factors.

controlling factors. controlling factors. I hope that in I hope that in I hope that in Australia you can Australia you can Australia you can talk about the talk about the talk about the case that we've case that we've case that we've been looking at here on the been looking at here on the been looking at here on the podcast, because it podcast, because it podcast, because it really upset me. really upset me. really upset me. It was about a cult, a It was about a cult, a It was about a cult, a Christian cult, Christian cult, Christian cult, and how they didn't and how they didn't and how they didn't believe in medical believe in medical believe in medical intervention, and so they intervention, and so they intervention, and so they let this let this let this little girl with little girl with little girl with diabetes die. And diabetes die. And diabetes die. And the prosecutors were very the prosecutors were very the prosecutors were very aggressive in this aggressive in this aggressive in this case. They took case. They took case. They took every adult every adult every adult who was in this who was in this who was in this cult. It was a very cult. It was a very cult. It was a very small cult, and small cult, and small cult, and they all got indicted. they all got indicted. they all got indicted. All of them were All of them were All of them were responsible for responsible for responsible for her murder. And her mother her murder. And her mother her murder. And her mother and father were in the and father were in the and father were in the cult, and they cult, and they cult, and they decided that there would be decided that there would be no medical intervention. There's no no medical intervention. There's no reason for a reason for a reason for a young person with young person with young person with diabetes to die. diabetes to die. diabetes to die. But she died a But she died a But she died a horrible, painful horrible, painful horrible, painful death. And I was very death. And I was very death. And I was very impressed with how impressed with how aggressive the prosecutors were about aggressive the prosecutors were about it. In the end, there was a it. In the end, there was a it. In the end, there was a conviction. And conviction. And conviction. And obviously the parents themselves obviously the parents themselves , her parents, were , her parents, were , her parents, were prosecuted prosecuted prosecuted the most severely of the most severely of the most severely of anyone. And it's a anyone. And it's a anyone. And it's a really fascinating really fascinating really fascinating case. I hope case. I hope case. I hope you get a chance you get a chance you get a chance to talk to the people to talk to the people to talk to the people there, because we've there, because we've there, because we've covered this twice on the covered this twice on the covered this twice on the podcast.

podcast. podcast. I, and please, when I, and please, when I, and please, when we're offline, we're offline, we're offline, send me a send me a send me a message, which message, which message, which state it was in. I'm state it was in. I'm state it was in. I'm so proud of what so proud of what so proud of what Australians are doing Australians are doing Australians are doing when it comes to when it comes to when it comes to enforcement, the enforcement, the enforcement, the new legislation new legislation new legislation that's been introduced in that's been introduced in that's been introduced in South Australia. South Australia. Victoria has really Victoria has really stepped up, and I stepped up, and I stepped up, and I think they're a think they're a think they're a role model for the rest of us. of role model for the rest of us. of role model for the rest of us. of us in the world when it us in the world when it us in the world when it comes to developing comes to developing comes to developing legislation to legislation to legislation to prosecute people prosecute people who who who destroy others in a destructive way. destroy others in a destructive way. Mmm. Yeah, great. Mmm. Yeah, great. I have my own I have my own I have my own little program little program little program note, Mike. note, Mike. I'm ready. Okay. I'm ready. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You can see You can see You can see me on the latest me on the latest me on the latest episode of 20/20, where I episode of 20/20, where I episode of 20/20, where I discuss the murder of discuss the murder of discuss the murder of Katie Blowwell. Katie Blowwell. Katie Blowwell. I also I also I also covered this case for True covered this case for True covered this case for True Crime News. Here's an excerpt. Crime News. Here's an excerpt. Crime News. Here's an excerpt. After Katie died, her After Katie died, her After Katie died, her mother Patty brought mother Patty brought mother Patty brought flowers to the place where flowers to the place where flowers to the place where she...was killed. That she...was killed. That she...was killed. That abandoned abandoned abandoned farmhouse. farmhouse.

Then we went to Then we went to where Katie was found. I where Katie was found. I where Katie was found. I put roses there. put roses there. He put her there because he He put her there because he was taking out the trash. My was taking out the trash. My was taking out the trash. My daughter is not trash. She daughter is not trash. She daughter is not trash. She was a beautiful was a beautiful was a beautiful soul who didn't soul who didn't soul who didn't deserve this. deserve this. deserve this. This is an incredible This is an incredible This is an incredible case where the case where the case where the suspected killer, suspected killer, suspected killer, her husband, Mike, her husband, Mike, her husband, Mike, who she once lived with who she once lived with , was on the run for 6 , was on the run for 6 , was on the run for 6 years. He was finally years. He was finally years. He was finally found in Oregon, and found in Oregon, and found in Oregon, and it's an incredible thing. it's an incredible thing. it's an incredible thing. The guy changed his personality a little bit. The guy changed his personality a little bit. The guy changed his personality a little bit. and and and of course, his name. of course, his name. of course, his name. He went online He went online , met a woman, they , met a woman, they , met a woman, they slept together, he slept together, he slept together, he moved in with her. He moved in with her. He moved in with her. He lived with her for six years, and lived with her for six years, and lived with her for six years, and when the U.S. Marshals when the U.S. Marshals when the U.S. Marshals came to arrest came to arrest came to arrest him, you could him, you could him, you could hear the audio recording of hear the audio recording of hear the audio recording of him telling her him telling her him telling her who she had been with for six who she had been with for six who she had been with for six years, and she had years, and she had years, and she had no idea. It's no idea. It's no idea. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. The whole unbelievable. The whole unbelievable. The whole thing is unbelievable. thing is unbelievable. thing is unbelievable. He was convicted. He's He was convicted. He's He was convicted. He's in prison. I in prison. I in prison. I mean, you mean, you mean, you go there, there's go there, there's go there, there's incredible incredible incredible interrogation tapes. It's just a interrogation tapes. It's just a interrogation tapes. It's just a really, really well- really, really well- really, really well- made episode, and made episode, and made episode, and it's 20/20. I'm watching it it's 20/20. I'm watching it it's 20/20. I'm watching it on Hulu right now. Oh on Hulu right now. Oh on Hulu right now. Oh my God. I can't my God. I can't my God. I can't wait to watch wait to watch wait to watch it, and thank you.

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